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I have exchanged mail with the list moderator and he has stated that life
and travel has kept him from doing much with the real traders list. I have
offered to take the moderator job since he is too busy for it. I told him
that my idea was to have a "board" or team of a few of the older list
members who would decide if any rules need added/deleted/changed and would
further decide if anyone should be removed from the list.
I currently handle several mail lists as owner/moderator and as I am not
employed outside trading, (sold my businesses in '97), I have the time to
take care of the list if there are no objections.
You can mail your thoughts/support/complaints about this idea to George at
rtmoderator@xxxxxxxxx or to me directly, if you wish. (I do have mail
routed to dev nul from thequaint and ric ingrem .. or whatever their names
are), but would be pleased to hear your thoughts and ideas as to how we can
keep our list together and keep the people on it who contribute the most.
We really need to get our list under control again.. .. It's a great group
of people here but the constant discourtesy and psychological nonsense
needs to go away and be replaced with consideration for others while
sharing ideas and formulas for success.
Bob
At 03:52 PM 4/2/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>This List Will Die.
>
>Hello Quant and All,
>
>This is living proof you have nothing to offer.No answer to two easy
>questions. No..the Quant is above that.
>
>The time it takes reading your response and your writing it would
>take more time than for you to tell how you would do it. That tells
>me reams.You do not know how to do it.!
>
>No one should be subject to your abuse; especially steady
>contributors like Ira and others
>
>If you think I did not know all of the negative aspects about the
>systems you mentioned and their creators, you are dreaming. They did
>well for a period and then flopped. All of a sudden the creators
>became scammers and were regulated and fined. Tell me something I did
>not know.I dropped them when they stopped performing not because of
>some regulatory article. You probably took the extra time to respond
>to me to search your archives on how to respond.
>
>Whatever "qualifications I threw around" were accurate compared to
>what you provide [which is zero]. You never offer any qualifications
>even if asked and all you do is club away at your keyboard like the
>cavceman you call me..
>
>I think you must have come from the Omega group because that is the
>way you act.
>
>And the reason you can not elucidate what you have done is probably
>that! all you do is critique and do searches which takes most of your
>time.
>
>I would ask of you the same questions about testing and you would not
>answer in an hour ,let alone a minute. I have done everything from
>double blind testing to beta testing and hired the right people for
>one minute trading resolution and more. Once again you elude
>answering two simple questions by attacking.
>
>I had an idea that this could once again become a forum to express
>and retrieve knowledge...but with you on this list that will never
>happen.
>
>So drudge away in your make believe world that you are some superstar
>of trading with no at bats ever posted nor any batting average
>logically.In that way no one can assess YOUR credentials.
>
>I will continue to post but never respond to you or yours until you
>come to your senses. As a fact you show signs and aymptoms of mental
>disease in your posts. Symptoms like these generally run in the
>family tree--like inbreeding. You should seek help.
>
>Having said all that, I would add I too feel very good about myself
>and pity you. A babe in the woods I am not and that is a real laugh.
>
>I have just satisfied myself that I have flushed you out like the
>farce you are and not worth any more than a nanosecond of my time in
>the future.
>
>Dispassionately,
>
>John
>
>
>------------------ Reply Separator --------------------
>Originally From: TheQuant <thequant@xxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [RT] Time and Motion Trading
>Date: 04/02/2002 02:04pm
>
>
>Hello John,
>
>JC> If you can respond to the two items below in a non sarcastic and
>JC> hamanitarian way I would join QUANT@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx in a NY
>JC> minute.Otherwise my wife is telling me I am spending too much time
>JC> on you. And you KNOW she may be right I do BELIEVE.
>
>It is very hard to communicate to a cave man that world in not flat.
>But I will try and not punish you out of my frustration, that is wrong
>and I apologize in advance just in case.
>
>JC> Dear Quant,
>
>JC> Two items:
>
>JC> 1. How would you do it? An answer and not another critique would
>JC> be appreciated.
>
>JC> 2. I am told by those more astute than I with the TS that the
>JC> latest model backtests with I minute resolution. I have seen such
>JC> backtesting correlate with realtime results whether good or bad.
>
>Honestly it would be a waste of my time and effort to try and educate
>you any further on the subject of trading. When I read below who and
>what you think are usable systems. Plus the credibility of the
>purveyors associated with those two systems. I would say that the
>qualifications you once threw around here as many others have mean
>absolutely nothing but evidence of a lack of knowledge in this field
>which I so arrogantly reside.
>
>JC> I am glad you know I am not a scammer but a seeker of the truth
>JC> which often comes by hypothesizing and testing. Forward testing
>JC> tells me a lot more than backtesting.
>
>I have a full minute tell everything you know about testing? Did you
>do it somewhere professionally where they paid your for your research?
>
>JC> So far you know what I do and how I run my portfolio and my good
>JC> and bad mechanical trading years [Master Suite, Dual Thrust, etc].
>
>Master Suite - if the name alone doesn't scream at you SCAM! Then
>perhaps the government can educate you better.
>http://www.cftc.gov/ogc/oporders99/ogcr_wtechnical031699.htm
>
>Dual Thrust - another systems by another scammer. Find the information
>on tHE NFA web site. Also note that the Dual Thrust web site claims
>they have a mechanical system, but it's not good enough to trade so
>they want to trade your account using their discretion, funny stuff.
>
>BASIC Narrative
>UNIVERSAL TECHNICAL SYSTEM INC
>NFA ID 0090343
>NFA Case No. 87BCC00034
>
>CHALEK, MICHAEL EDWARD 0101247 0090343
>
>http://www.nfa.futures.org/basic/text.asp?
>ref=87BCC00034&nfaid=0090343&name=UNIVERSAL+TECHNICAL+SYSTEM+INC&contr
>ib=NFA
>
>Tuesday, April 02, 2002987, THE CENTRAL REGIONAL BUSINESS CONDUCT
>COMMITTEE ISSUED A COMPLAINT AGAINST MICHAEL E. CHALEK ("CHALEK"). THE
>COMPLAINT ALLEGES THAT CHALEK USED DECEPTIVE AND MISLEADING
>PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL IN VIOLATION OF NFA COMPLIANCE RULE 2-29(B)(2);
>USED PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL WHICH FAILED TO MENTION THE RISK OF LOSS IN
>VIOLATION OF NFA COMPLIANCE RULE 2-29(B)(3); USED PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL
>WHICH FAILED TO MENTION THAT PAST PROFITS ARE NOT INDICATIVE OF FUTURE
>RESULTS IN VIOLATION OF NFA COMPLIANCE RULE 2-29(B)(5); USED
>PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL WHICH CONTAINED MISSTATEMENTS OF FACT IN
>VIOLATION OF NFA COMPLIANCE RULE 2-2(A) AND 2-29(B)(2); AND FAILED TO
>SUPERVISE HIS EMPLOYEES IN THE CONDUCT OF THEIR COMMODITY FUTURES
>ACTIVITIES IN VIOLATION OF NFA COMPLIANCE RULE 2-9. DECISION: ON
>NOVEMBER 23, 1987, THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE ACCEPTED CHALEK'S OFFER OF
>SETTLEMENT AND AUTHORIZED THE ISSUANCE OF A DECISION. THE DECISION
>DIRECTED CHALEK TO CEASE AND DESIST FROM FURTHER VIOLATIONS OF NFA
>REQUIREMENTS AND TO PAY A FINE OF $10,000.
>
>JC> But what do you do and what have you done.
>
>Why would I need to tell you? I feel good about myself already!
>
>JC> Still sincerely,
>
>JC> John
>
>You are a babe in the woods John.
>
>
>
>
>--
>Best regards,
> TheQuant
>
>
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