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Even this response includes my original email, your
condemnation of it, my reply to you and your latest saying you did not attack
me. If you believe what you are saying, you are now stating you do not know how
to use email properly. If you make comments on anyone's post, you are directing
those comments to that person. If that is not your intention, use the
"New Mail" button and not the "Reply all".
<<Your turning into another ric whatever his
name is.>> I suppose you directed this to the entire group? If you
still believe what you're claiming, I reccomend you get some
help.
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From:
Tom Bowen
To: <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:07
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The
Nasdaq Sniffer
Tim,
I did not attack you in any way, so why are you
attacking me and calling me childish names.
Look at my previous email, do you see your name
in it. If you notice it says From: <A
href="mailto:kenoor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=kenoor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>Tom Bowen
To: <A href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Please
don't be so quick to accuse, it was a reply to the realtraders group as a
whole.
I did not elect myself as anything.
Discipline, maturity, common sense, analytical
skills and perseverance are the marks of a good trader.
When this forum started many years ago it
was a place for traders to exchange information has it changed it's
intended purpose?
Tom
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tim
long
To: <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:04
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The
Nasdaq Sniffer
You sound like a school marm, or at least an illiterate
whiner. Apply your own comments to your OWN post. I posted in earnest. There
is no call for your attack on me. Now that you've elected yourself as
moderator God, schedule your self-righteous self for a penetrating
brain enema. Hooray for ric, whoever he is. If you don't like him, he
must be allright.
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From:
Tom
Bowen
To: <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:12
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The
Nasdaq Sniffer
And this thread has what to do with us
helping one another become better traders in the current
world??????????
Your turning into another ric whatever his
name is.
Trading and helping one another is why were
here so let's get back to it.
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<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From:
tim
long
To: <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002
7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? -
The Nasdaq Sniffer
I'm reading this thread and it seems to me that some
clarity is in order,IMHO.What do we know is predictable?
Certainly the tides, but what perfectionlevel is
needed?Humans trading -vs- computers (programmed by humans)
trading - what are themain issues?Can we program our thinking?
Left brain logic?, yes, of course.Blackjack is a good example of
left brain usage. Try to be right brained andyou are a loser.No
human can outperform a computer at this. The latest Chess computer
canbeat any human. Chess is about strategy and tactics, in human
theory, but,to a computer that has every game ever played (and is
well programmed), it'sreally about the superior capacities,
data and speed of the computer.Trading? What does trading
consist of? Are the decisions made left-brained,right-brained or
just purely emotional? I don't imagine anyone here
wouldchallenge the idea of having a trading plan, which is all
left-brain stuff.If one programs all the components of a
professionally done written tradingplan, it's likely
unbeatable.Now back to the original issue, predictability.
If one tries to forecastthe future, it calls for inductive reason,
based on something like cycles.It's projected outward in time. This
I'd call a strategy.I admit ignorance with neural nets. It seems
like step-wise regressiontesting or something like that. But
deductive reasoning, like after a chessmove, would be used (I guess)
by the neural net, kinda like the weather. Iwouldn't call it a
forecast, maybe a pattern recognition probability, or avalidation or
invalidation of the original forecast (strategy).OK. A lot of
words to say "what is the probability that this prediction
isaccurate?". If a program can make a prediction and record it
on thedatabase, it's easy enough to go back and compare the actual
result to it.Computer test results, (Odds, Probabilities) would be
the "edge" overhumans.Personally, I don't think humans are
made for trading, any more thanBlackjack, i.e, if the goal is to
make money.IMHO, the components of human behavior are absolutely
predictable, and,programmable, but not by Friday.I don't know
where we are on "Visual" technology, but, it seems inevitablethat
the computer will surpass us. But, for now, experience can be "seen"
bythe pros and I guess it'll still be king, for a little while
anyway.Sorry if I overdid this,Tim----- Original
Message -----From: BL <blee7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002
8:49 PMSubject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The Nasdaq
Sniffer> > Neural nets are a joke
compared to what I am talking about. NN keep> > learning
and re adapting to new data in old data series by refitting.>
> I am talking about something that knows more than any
mass of humans> > could ever know let alone communicate to
each other in a timely enough> > fashion to utilize that
knowledge.>>> Okay,>> I'll put my
old-timey, Neural Net clunker joke model up against any>
fire-breathing, sounding-hearing, master-of-the-universe computer
model,and> this ain't even close to being one of my
best. It's 100% market exposed,> trades on the open only
using EOD data for signal generation, trades one> contract and
changes position, on average, once every 2 days. Any>
supercomputer takers or is it all talk? Oh yeah, I guess I need to
be> up-front and let you know one of the model's inputs can
actually smell the> market, thus the name - the Nasdaq
Sniffer..... Supercomputer, Kick my> net's ass. I'll
even give you a handicap and let you trade intra-day ifyou>
like. Just allow me time to change the net's batteries when
needed.>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an
email to:>
realtraders-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
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