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Tim,
I did not attack you in any way, so why are you
attacking me and calling me childish names.
Look at my previous email, do you see your name in
it. If you notice it says From: <A title=kenoor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:kenoor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Tom Bowen To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Please
don't be so quick to accuse, it was a reply to the realtraders group as a
whole.
I did not elect myself as anything.
Discipline, maturity, common sense, analytical
skills and perseverance are the marks of a good trader.
When this forum started many years ago it
was a place for traders to exchange information has it changed it's
intended purpose?
Tom
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To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:04
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The
Nasdaq Sniffer
You sound like a school marm, or at least an illiterate
whiner. Apply your own comments to your OWN post. I posted in earnest. There
is no call for your attack on me. Now that you've elected yourself as
moderator God, schedule your self-righteous self for a penetrating brain
enema. Hooray for ric, whoever he is. If you don't like him, he must be
allright.
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Bowen
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:12
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The
Nasdaq Sniffer
And this thread has what to do with us helping
one another become better traders in the current
world??????????
Your turning into another ric whatever his name
is.
Trading and helping one another is why were
here so let's get back to it.
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long
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:25
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The
Nasdaq Sniffer
I'm reading this thread and it seems to me that some
clarity is in order,IMHO.What do we know is predictable? Certainly
the tides, but what perfectionlevel is needed?Humans
trading -vs- computers (programmed by humans) trading - what are
themain issues?Can we program our thinking? Left brain logic?,
yes, of course.Blackjack is a good example of left brain usage. Try to
be right brained andyou are a loser.No human can outperform a
computer at this. The latest Chess computer canbeat any human. Chess
is about strategy and tactics, in human theory, but,to a computer that
has every game ever played (and is well programmed), it'sreally about
the superior capacities, data and speed of the
computer.Trading? What does trading consist of? Are the decisions
made left-brained,right-brained or just purely emotional?
I don't imagine anyone here wouldchallenge the idea of having a
trading plan, which is all left-brain stuff.If one programs all the
components of a professionally done written tradingplan, it's likely
unbeatable.Now back to the original issue, predictability.
If one tries to forecastthe future, it calls for inductive reason,
based on something like cycles.It's projected outward in time. This
I'd call a strategy.I admit ignorance with neural nets. It seems like
step-wise regressiontesting or something like that. But deductive
reasoning, like after a chessmove, would be used (I guess) by the
neural net, kinda like the weather. Iwouldn't call it a
forecast, maybe a pattern recognition probability, or avalidation or
invalidation of the original forecast (strategy).OK. A lot of
words to say "what is the probability that this prediction
isaccurate?". If a program can make a prediction and record it
on thedatabase, it's easy enough to go back and compare the actual
result to it.Computer test results, (Odds, Probabilities) would be the
"edge" overhumans.Personally, I don't think humans are made
for trading, any more thanBlackjack, i.e, if the goal is to make
money.IMHO, the components of human behavior are absolutely
predictable, and,programmable, but not by Friday.I don't know
where we are on "Visual" technology, but, it seems inevitablethat the
computer will surpass us. But, for now, experience can be "seen" bythe
pros and I guess it'll still be king, for a little while
anyway.Sorry if I overdid this,Tim----- Original
Message -----From: BL <blee7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002
8:49 PMSubject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The Nasdaq
Sniffer> > Neural nets are a joke
compared to what I am talking about. NN keep> > learning
and re adapting to new data in old data series by refitting.> >
I am talking about something that knows more than any mass of
humans> > could ever know let alone communicate to each other in
a timely enough> > fashion to utilize that
knowledge.>>> Okay,>> I'll put my
old-timey, Neural Net clunker joke model up against any>
fire-breathing, sounding-hearing, master-of-the-universe computer
model,and> this ain't even close to being one of my best.
It's 100% market exposed,> trades on the open only using EOD data
for signal generation, trades one> contract and changes position,
on average, once every 2 days. Any> supercomputer takers or
is it all talk? Oh yeah, I guess I need to be> up-front and
let you know one of the model's inputs can actually smell the>
market, thus the name - the Nasdaq Sniffer..... Supercomputer, Kick
my> net's ass. I'll even give you a handicap and let you
trade intra-day ifyou> like. Just allow me time to change
the net's batteries when needed.>>> To unsubscribe
from this group, send an email to:>
realtraders-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>
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