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TIM,
GROW UP.
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tim
long
To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 2:25
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The
Nasdaq Sniffer
Even this response includes my original email, your
condemnation of it, my reply to you and your latest saying you did not attack
me. If you believe what you are saying, you are now stating you do not know
how to use email properly. If you make comments on anyone's post, you are
directing those comments to that person. If that is not your intention, use
the "New Mail" button and not the "Reply all".
<<Your turning into another ric whatever
his name is.>> I suppose you directed this to the entire group? If
you still believe what you're claiming, I reccomend you get some
help.
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Tom
Bowen
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 4:07
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The
Nasdaq Sniffer
Tim,
I did not attack you in any way, so why are you
attacking me and calling me childish names.
Look at my previous email, do you see your name
in it. If you notice it says From: <A
title=kenoor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:kenoor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Tom Bowen
To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Please
don't be so quick to accuse, it was a reply to the realtraders group as a
whole.
I did not elect myself as
anything.
Discipline, maturity, common sense, analytical
skills and perseverance are the marks of a good trader.
When this forum started many years ago it
was a place for traders to exchange information has it changed it's
intended purpose?
Tom
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tim
long
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:04
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The
Nasdaq Sniffer
You sound like a school marm, or at least an illiterate
whiner. Apply your own comments to your OWN post. I posted in earnest.
There is no call for your attack on me. Now that you've elected yourself
as moderator God, schedule your self-righteous self for a penetrating
brain enema. Hooray for ric, whoever he is. If you don't like him,
he must be allright.
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From:
Tom
Bowen
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002
11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? -
The Nasdaq Sniffer
And this thread has what to do with us
helping one another become better traders in the current
world??????????
Your turning into another ric whatever his
name is.
Trading and helping one another is why were
here so let's get back to it.
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From:
tim
long
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002
7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? -
The Nasdaq Sniffer
I'm reading this thread and it seems to me that
some clarity is in order,IMHO.What do we know is predictable?
Certainly the tides, but what perfectionlevel is
needed?Humans trading -vs- computers (programmed by humans)
trading - what are themain issues?Can we program our thinking?
Left brain logic?, yes, of course.Blackjack is a good example of
left brain usage. Try to be right brained andyou are a
loser.No human can outperform a computer at this. The latest Chess
computer canbeat any human. Chess is about strategy and tactics,
in human theory, but,to a computer that has every game ever played
(and is well programmed), it'sreally about the superior
capacities, data and speed of the computer.Trading? What
does trading consist of? Are the decisions made
left-brained,right-brained or just purely emotional? I
don't imagine anyone here wouldchallenge the idea of having a
trading plan, which is all left-brain stuff.If one programs all
the components of a professionally done written tradingplan, it's
likely unbeatable.Now back to the original issue,
predictability. If one tries to forecastthe future, it calls
for inductive reason, based on something like cycles.It's
projected outward in time. This I'd call a strategy.I admit
ignorance with neural nets. It seems like step-wise
regressiontesting or something like that. But deductive reasoning,
like after a chessmove, would be used (I guess) by the neural net,
kinda like the weather. Iwouldn't call it a forecast, maybe
a pattern recognition probability, or avalidation or invalidation
of the original forecast (strategy).OK. A lot of words to say
"what is the probability that this prediction isaccurate?".
If a program can make a prediction and record it on thedatabase,
it's easy enough to go back and compare the actual result to
it.Computer test results, (Odds, Probabilities) would be the
"edge" overhumans.Personally, I don't think humans are
made for trading, any more thanBlackjack, i.e, if the goal is to
make money.IMHO, the components of human behavior are
absolutely predictable, and,programmable, but not by Friday.I
don't know where we are on "Visual" technology, but, it seems
inevitablethat the computer will surpass us. But, for now,
experience can be "seen" bythe pros and I guess it'll still be
king, for a little while anyway.Sorry if I overdid
this,Tim----- Original Message -----From: BL
<blee7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002
8:49 PMSubject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The Nasdaq
Sniffer> > Neural nets are a joke
compared to what I am talking about. NN keep> >
learning and re adapting to new data in old data series by
refitting.> > I am talking about something that
knows more than any mass of humans> > could ever know let
alone communicate to each other in a timely enough> >
fashion to utilize that knowledge.>>>
Okay,>> I'll put my old-timey, Neural Net clunker joke
model up against any> fire-breathing, sounding-hearing,
master-of-the-universe computer model,and> this ain't even
close to being one of my best. It's 100% market exposed,>
trades on the open only using EOD data for signal generation, trades
one> contract and changes position, on average, once every 2
days. Any> supercomputer takers or is it all talk?
Oh yeah, I guess I need to be> up-front and let you know one of
the model's inputs can actually smell the> market, thus the
name - the Nasdaq Sniffer..... Supercomputer, Kick my>
net's ass. I'll even give you a handicap and let you trade
intra-day ifyou> like. Just allow me time to change
the net's batteries when needed.>>> To
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