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You sound like a school marm, or at least an illiterate
whiner. Apply your own comments to your OWN post. I posted in earnest. There is
no call for your attack on me. Now that you've elected yourself as
moderator God, schedule your self-righteous self for a penetrating brain
enema. Hooray for ric, whoever he is. If you don't like him, he must be
allright.
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Tom Bowen
To: <A
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title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:12
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Subject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The
Nasdaq Sniffer
And this thread has what to do with us helping
one another become better traders in the current world??????????
Your turning into another ric whatever his name
is.
Trading and helping one another is why were here
so let's get back to it.
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tim
long
To: <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 7:25
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The
Nasdaq Sniffer
I'm reading this thread and it seems to me that some
clarity is in order,IMHO.What do we know is predictable? Certainly
the tides, but what perfectionlevel is needed?Humans
trading -vs- computers (programmed by humans) trading - what are themain
issues?Can we program our thinking? Left brain logic?, yes, of
course.Blackjack is a good example of left brain usage. Try to be right
brained andyou are a loser.No human can outperform a computer at
this. The latest Chess computer canbeat any human. Chess is about
strategy and tactics, in human theory, but,to a computer that has every
game ever played (and is well programmed), it'sreally about the superior
capacities, data and speed of the computer.Trading? What does
trading consist of? Are the decisions made left-brained,right-brained or
just purely emotional? I don't imagine anyone here
wouldchallenge the idea of having a trading plan, which is all
left-brain stuff.If one programs all the components of a professionally
done written tradingplan, it's likely unbeatable.Now back to the
original issue, predictability. If one tries to forecastthe
future, it calls for inductive reason, based on something like
cycles.It's projected outward in time. This I'd call a strategy.I
admit ignorance with neural nets. It seems like step-wise
regressiontesting or something like that. But deductive reasoning, like
after a chessmove, would be used (I guess) by the neural net, kinda like
the weather. Iwouldn't call it a forecast, maybe a pattern
recognition probability, or avalidation or invalidation of the original
forecast (strategy).OK. A lot of words to say "what is the
probability that this prediction isaccurate?". If a program can
make a prediction and record it on thedatabase, it's easy enough to go
back and compare the actual result to it.Computer test results, (Odds,
Probabilities) would be the "edge" overhumans.Personally, I
don't think humans are made for trading, any more thanBlackjack, i.e, if
the goal is to make money.IMHO, the components of human behavior are
absolutely predictable, and,programmable, but not by Friday.I don't
know where we are on "Visual" technology, but, it seems inevitablethat
the computer will surpass us. But, for now, experience can be "seen"
bythe pros and I guess it'll still be king, for a little while
anyway.Sorry if I overdid this,Tim----- Original
Message -----From: BL <blee7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:49
PMSubject: Re: [RT] Vegas Anyone? - The Nasdaq Sniffer>
> Neural nets are a joke compared to what I am talking
about. NN keep> > learning and re adapting to new data in
old data series by refitting.> > I am talking about
something that knows more than any mass of humans> > could ever
know let alone communicate to each other in a timely enough> >
fashion to utilize that knowledge.>>>
Okay,>> I'll put my old-timey, Neural Net clunker joke model
up against any> fire-breathing, sounding-hearing,
master-of-the-universe computer model,and> this ain't even close
to being one of my best. It's 100% market exposed,> trades on
the open only using EOD data for signal generation, trades one>
contract and changes position, on average, once every 2 days.
Any> supercomputer takers or is it all talk? Oh yeah, I guess I
need to be> up-front and let you know one of the model's inputs can
actually smell the> market, thus the name - the Nasdaq
Sniffer..... Supercomputer, Kick my> net's ass. I'll even
give you a handicap and let you trade intra-day ifyou>
like. Just allow me time to change the net's batteries when
needed.>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an
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