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<A href="mailto:bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Bill Daniel
To: <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 8:39
PM
Subject: RE: [RT] Re: President
Bush
Dear
Me,
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I
will not take a lot of time to respond to your tired, liberal, naive
dialog. But I could not help at least saying something. It is no
wonder you
are
neither Republican nor Democrat. You have no beliefs. All you can
do is rail against whatever is being done at that the time. I
would
love
to have had a dialogue like this during the Gulf War. In this current
attack you take the US to task for not taking out Hussein. I'll bet back
then
you
were spewing the same old crap you are spewing now about we shouldn't be
there. You speak of Bush' delivery being monontone. The only
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size=2>monotone I hear is the same liberal dogma you and your ilk continue to
put forth. You never offer solutions just constant criticisms and
untruths
<FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial
size=2>about those who are trying to do something. By the way you must
have thought Reagan was a wonderful president since you seem to judge
them
by
how well (in your opinion) they deliver a speech. One purpose of a
speech is to bring people together for the common good. From the
reaction
to
Bush' I would say you are dead wrong in your assessment of its
effectiveness. That must be what galls you so.
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Go
back and reread your own monotone speech. See if you can find even a
hint of a solution.
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Bill
Daniel
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[mailto:ibe98765@xxxxxxxxx]Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:17
PMTo: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [RT] Re:
President BushDorothy,I did watch the
analysis and listen to the discussions, in fact the TV has been on
steady for that last 2 weeks jumping among various channels. I
have also monitored and posted on a number of forums. I am neither
a Republican nor a Democrat. I vote for the whom ever I feel is
the best person for the job at that point in time and yes, I did vote
for Bush. IMO, Gore was the bigger fool and Bush the lesser of the
two evils by a very small margin1. I was not attacking Bush
personally, I was critiquing his speech delivery. His speech
writers wrote and he said what people wanted to hear, which was the
purpose of the speech. I wasn't saying that Bush wasn't emotional
(in his own way), just that he isn't a good speaker and doesn't show
emotion well. His delivery was monotoned and whether he is or not,
he came across as the arrogant American stereotype. I would have
liked him to raise his voice, take off his shoe and bang it on the
podium, show some facial expression, show something other than just that
thin lipped smile/grin he has. Given that he is President, Bush
would do well to get some instruction in the art of public
speaking.2. Again, I find it interesting how Bush used "I" and
you use "we". Did you ever hear that old Lone Ranger joke where
they get attacked by a band of Indians? The Lone Ranger says
"looks like we are in trouble Tonto". Tonto's reply "what you mean
we Lone Ranger?". Perhaps he knows that although most everyone in
the world is horrified by this attack and the loss of human life, not
everyone agrees with the direction that he wants to take. But to
many, voicing that concern suddenly makes one unpatriotic, a liberal
patsy and/or other choice names. But that right to speak freely
and to disagree is one of the cornerstones of this country. It is
NOT unpatriotic to disagree with the policy or directions that this
country and it's leadership takes at any time. Period.
There are always many agendas that come into play to make up the big
picture. With the current state of the economy, a war could help
boost the economy right now. It could also take people's attention
away from the economy. Given some of the lies, subterfuge and
falling away from a number of campaign promises that Bush has
committed in his limited history so far, one might wonder about
ulterior motives. Or you can just be a blind "patriot" and accept
everything your told at face value. There seems to be a lot of
people who have suddenly come out of the woodwork, waving flags,
spewing BS but having little or no knowledge of politics, government
or world affairs. Some of these people are even guilty of
attacking and killing people merely because they look Middle
Eastern. Yes, we have our own terrorist, racist, anti-Semitic
problems also. Perhaps we should put more into solving those
also?3. I fully support ridding the world of terrorism. But
there are different ways to approach this task and in fact, it may not
be something that anyone can do, even the almighty USA, despite whatever
rhetoric is thrown at the issue. I just don't think we are going
to succeed at that task by invading or bombing Afghanistan. Why
weren't we waging this war years ago? And don't bring up Clinton's
policies because we could have been trying to stop terrorism during
Reagan or GHB's terms. It's interesting how the Bush team and much
of the world was applying pressure to stop Israel from going after and
killing the terrorists afflicting their country. But now
that our own homeland has suffered a terrorist incident, it's suddenly
all right to mobilize the armed forces, possibly restrict civil
liberties in the name of this war while chasing down and killing
terrorists, isn't it? Suddenly, "the sleeping giant" has woken and
is now going to solve this major problem that has been vexing the rest
of the world for too many years? Forgive me for being just a bit
skeptical. Hell, we couldn't even stop the terrorists from
entering and leaving this country whenever they wanted, from getting on
airplane after airplane until they decided to drive into a building with
one. 4. Regardless of how people and countries feel in the
heat of this moment, there is a strong likelihood that significant
military action in the Mideast could destabilize the area. We may
wind up with no oil and fighting one billion Muslims. Past history
shows that coalitions change over time and initial support and anger by
people in the USA will whittle away as time marches on and the
casualties come home with no appreciable progress in the crusade.
This is reality. It's not going to be any different now, any more
than the new economy was. You can't change human nature.
We failed in Iraq (Hussein is still in power and the people are
still under his oppressed rule), we failed in Vietnam, losing many lives
there, spent much money and creating great divisiveness in this
county for many years. I hear Bush and others talking about a
"long" war just like 'nam. I hear people talking about
hand-to-hand combat as if it's some video game, which it is most
assuredly not. Didn't we learn anything at all from our past
experiences in 'nam or those of the British and Russia in
Afghanistan? We can't use cruise missiles or aerial
bombing for there's little left to bomb in Afghanistan! The
country is covered with mines from the Russian war. The only way
we can take out Afghanistan is to neutron bomb it, something that
hopefully, even Bush won't do.You know by now that the Afghans
stopped the Russians who threw everything they had against them for 10
long years. There is a comic running on the editorial page of
the local paper here (SF Chronicle) that is very apropos.
It's got a picture of a stone, another stone, a bigger stone, a little
stone, one stone on top of another finally a stone in a cross
hairs. The caption is labeled "Searching for targets in
Afghanistan" with a side caption of "Just find the one he's
under". We've had a $5 million price on Bin Laden's head for
years. No one has yet to collect and we haven't been able to find
him on our own. Finally, are we going to go after the IRA
and other terrorist groups also? The Brits haven't been very
successful at clearing up that situation. Or is this just going to
apply to Muslim terrorists, specifically those hanging out in
Afghanistan now? No one really knows how this war will be
waged, not even the government. Or perhaps this is all rhetoric
and after an appropriate period of mourning, nothing at all will
happen. But blind "patriotism" like so many are calling for these
days will only lead us to places we don't want to go. This is not
1941. It's not the same country nor the same world. I'll end
this with two quotes which I hope make some sense."When we
blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we
become automatons. We cease to grow." -Anais Nin, The Diaries of Anaïs
Nin "I love America more than any other country in this world, and,
exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to criticize her
perpetually." -James Baldwin, Notes of a Native Son
-----JW--- In realtraders@xxxx, "Dorothy K. Carter"
<dorothy.carter@xxxx> wrote:Dear Me: If you had listend
to the discussions after his speech.. thepundits mentioned that on
several occasions you could see Bush get tearyeyed...(Isn't that
emotion?) He is supportive of all religions and allpeople
The pundits also understand that as the President of the
UnitedStates he has ultimate say and in charge of armed forces and
that as long ashe is resolute that everyone else will be.. I
hope you will rally behindthe President to support this large
task. As one of the NY politicians said(obviously not Hillary)
that Bush had supported NY fully more than they hadanticipated as NY
did not vote for Bush. This politician told someone whowas
raising the same question that you are the following:
After the firstWTC bombing in which only a hand full of people died
and we did nothing.Now with this attack 6000+ are dead.. next time
it could be chemicalwarefare with millions dead.... we have to act.. we
have no choice. I amsorry for preaching to you like this but
..... We as Americans have got tostick together and rally behind
this President rather you voted for him ornow and be greatful that
he has the strong cabinet he has to meet andovercome this challenge.. I
would strongly suggest to you that you can't doas you suggest and be
a sitting duck as doing nothing guarantees moreterrorist attacks with
millions of body bags........It should be obviousthat if the world
does not support this effort to wipe out terrorism thatWestern
Civilization as we know it will not exist in 10 yrs.. OK I will
tryto bite my tongue and only post market tradeable information
..... Best,:-) :-)
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