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Dear
Me,
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I will
not take a lot of time to respond to your tired, liberal, naive
dialog. But I could not help at least saying something. It is no
wonder you
are
neither Republican nor Democrat. You have no beliefs. All you can do
is rail against whatever is being done at that the time. I
would
love
to have had a dialogue like this during the Gulf War. In this current
attack you take the US to task for not taking out Hussein. I'll bet back
then
you
were spewing the same old crap you are spewing now about we shouldn't be
there. You speak of Bush' delivery being monontone. The only
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size=2>monotone I hear is the same liberal dogma you and your ilk continue to
put forth. You never offer solutions just constant criticisms and
untruths
about
those who are trying to do something. By the way you must have thought
Reagan was a wonderful president since you seem to judge
them
by how
well (in your opinion) they deliver a speech. One purpose of a speech is
to bring people together for the common good. From the reaction
to
Bush' I would say you are dead wrong in your assessment of its
effectiveness. That must be what galls you so.
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Go
back and reread your own monotone speech. See if you can find even a hint
of a solution.
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Bill
Daniel
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size=2>-----Original Message-----From: Me
[mailto:ibe98765@xxxxxxxxx]Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 7:17
PMTo: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [RT] Re:
President BushDorothy,I did watch the
analysis and listen to the discussions, in fact the TV has been on steady
for that last 2 weeks jumping among various channels. I have also
monitored and posted on a number of forums. I am neither a
Republican nor a Democrat. I vote for the whom ever I feel is the
best person for the job at that point in time and yes, I did vote for
Bush. IMO, Gore was the bigger fool and Bush the lesser of the two
evils by a very small margin1. I was not attacking Bush personally, I
was critiquing his speech delivery. His speech writers wrote and he
said what people wanted to hear, which was the purpose of the
speech. I wasn't saying that Bush wasn't emotional (in his own way),
just that he isn't a good speaker and doesn't show emotion well. His
delivery was monotoned and whether he is or not, he came across as the
arrogant American stereotype. I would have liked him to raise his
voice, take off his shoe and bang it on the podium, show some facial
expression, show something other than just that thin lipped smile/grin he
has. Given that he is President, Bush would do well to get some
instruction in the art of public speaking.2. Again, I find
it interesting how Bush used "I" and you use "we". Did you ever hear
that old Lone Ranger joke where they get attacked by a band of
Indians? The Lone Ranger says "looks like we are in trouble
Tonto". Tonto's reply "what you mean we Lone Ranger?". Perhaps
he knows that although most everyone in the world is horrified by this
attack and the loss of human life, not everyone agrees with the direction
that he wants to take. But to many, voicing that concern suddenly
makes one unpatriotic, a liberal patsy and/or other choice names.
But that right to speak freely and to disagree is one of the cornerstones
of this country. It is NOT unpatriotic to disagree with the policy
or directions that this country and it's leadership takes at any
time. Period. There are always many agendas that
come into play to make up the big picture. With the current state of
the economy, a war could help boost the economy right now. It could
also take people's attention away from the economy. Given some of
the lies, subterfuge and falling away from a number of campaign promises
that Bush has committed in his limited history so far, one might
wonder about ulterior motives. Or you can just be a blind "patriot"
and accept everything your told at face value. There seems to be a
lot of people who have suddenly come out of the woodwork, waving flags,
spewing BS but having little or no knowledge of politics, government
or world affairs. Some of these people are even guilty of attacking
and killing people merely because they look Middle Eastern. Yes, we
have our own terrorist, racist, anti-Semitic problems also. Perhaps
we should put more into solving those also?3. I fully support
ridding the world of terrorism. But there are different ways to
approach this task and in fact, it may not be something that anyone can
do, even the almighty USA, despite whatever rhetoric is thrown at the
issue. I just don't think we are going to succeed at that task by
invading or bombing Afghanistan. Why weren't we waging this war
years ago? And don't bring up Clinton's policies because we could
have been trying to stop terrorism during Reagan or GHB's terms.
It's interesting how the Bush team and much of the world was applying
pressure to stop Israel from going after and killing the terrorists
afflicting their country. But now that our own homeland has
suffered a terrorist incident, it's suddenly all right to mobilize the
armed forces, possibly restrict civil liberties in the name of this war
while chasing down and killing terrorists, isn't it? Suddenly, "the
sleeping giant" has woken and is now going to solve this major problem
that has been vexing the rest of the world for too many years?
Forgive me for being just a bit skeptical. Hell, we couldn't even
stop the terrorists from entering and leaving this country whenever they
wanted, from getting on airplane after airplane until they decided to
drive into a building with one. 4. Regardless of how people
and countries feel in the heat of this moment, there is a strong
likelihood that significant military action in the Mideast could
destabilize the area. We may wind up with no oil and fighting one
billion Muslims. Past history shows that coalitions change over time
and initial support and anger by people in the USA will whittle away as
time marches on and the casualties come home with no appreciable progress
in the crusade. This is reality. It's not going to be any
different now, any more than the new economy was. You can't change
human nature. We failed in Iraq (Hussein is still in power and
the people are still under his oppressed rule), we failed in Vietnam,
losing many lives there, spent much money and creating great divisiveness
in this county for many years. I hear Bush and others talking about
a "long" war just like 'nam. I hear people talking about
hand-to-hand combat as if it's some video game, which it is most assuredly
not. Didn't we learn anything at all from our past experiences in
'nam or those of the British and Russia in Afghanistan?
We can't use cruise missiles or aerial bombing for there's little left to
bomb in Afghanistan! The country is covered with mines from the
Russian war. The only way we can take out Afghanistan is to neutron
bomb it, something that hopefully, even Bush won't do.You know by
now that the Afghans stopped the Russians who threw everything they had
against them for 10 long years. There is a comic running on the
editorial page of the local paper here (SF Chronicle) that is very
apropos. It's got a picture of a stone, another stone, a bigger
stone, a little stone, one stone on top of another finally a stone in a
cross hairs. The caption is labeled "Searching for targets in
Afghanistan" with a side caption of "Just find the one he's under".
We've had a $5 million price on Bin Laden's head for years. No one
has yet to collect and we haven't been able to find him on our own.
Finally, are we going to go after the IRA and other terrorist groups
also? The Brits haven't been very successful at clearing up that
situation. Or is this just going to apply to Muslim terrorists,
specifically those hanging out in Afghanistan now? No one
really knows how this war will be waged, not even the government. Or
perhaps this is all rhetoric and after an appropriate period of mourning,
nothing at all will happen. But blind "patriotism" like so many are
calling for these days will only lead us to places we don't want to
go. This is not 1941. It's not the same country nor the same
world. I'll end this with two quotes which I hope make some
sense."When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a
literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow." -Anais Nin,
The Diaries of Anaïs Nin "I love America more than any other country
in this world, and, exactly for this reason, I insist on the right to
criticize her perpetually." -James Baldwin, Notes of a Native Son
-----JW--- In realtraders@xxxx, "Dorothy K. Carter"
<dorothy.carter@xxxx> wrote:Dear Me: If you had listend to
the discussions after his speech.. thepundits mentioned that on several
occasions you could see Bush get tearyeyed...(Isn't that emotion?) He
is supportive of all religions and allpeople The pundits also
understand that as the President of the UnitedStates he has ultimate
say and in charge of armed forces and that as long ashe is resolute
that everyone else will be.. I hope you will rally behindthe
President to support this large task. As one of the NY politicians
said(obviously not Hillary) that Bush had supported NY fully more than
they hadanticipated as NY did not vote for Bush. This politician
told someone whowas raising the same question that you are the
following: After the firstWTC bombing in which only a hand
full of people died and we did nothing.Now with this attack 6000+ are
dead.. next time it could be chemicalwarefare with millions dead.... we
have to act.. we have no choice. I amsorry for preaching to you
like this but ..... We as Americans have got tostick together and
rally behind this President rather you voted for him ornow and be
greatful that he has the strong cabinet he has to meet andovercome this
challenge.. I would strongly suggest to you that you can't doas you
suggest and be a sitting duck as doing nothing guarantees moreterrorist
attacks with millions of body bags........It should be obviousthat if
the world does not support this effort to wipe out terrorism
thatWestern Civilization as we know it will not exist in 10
yrs.. OK I will tryto bite my tongue and only post market
tradeable information ..... Best,:-)
:-) DorothyTo
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