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Good job MF & DG. However, water vapor has to be a lessor evil than the
dirty emmisions of our current vehicles. Longer term, I think we will
eventually move toward some form of Solar Energy. The fuel cell idea maybe a
good temporary solution.
Cheers,
Norman
----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Goncharoff" <thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/ Oil
> I didn't believe you until I found this:
>
> http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/planetearth/wet_ozone_010417.html
>
> Regards
> DanG
>
> Michael Ferguson wrote:
> >
> > Norman,
> >
> > Water vapor is the largest cause of the depletion of the ozone layer.
Yes
> > that's right, clouds are the mortal enemy of ozone. The thing that all
those
> > catalytic converters create from car emissions. Yup.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Norman Winski" <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 20:54
> > Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/ Oil
> >
> > Dorothy,
> >
> > The only waste product from hydrogen fuel cells is water vapor.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Norman
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dorothy Carter
> > To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/ Oil
> >
> > Yes, and the same greenies that we use to see in the airports hugging
> > trees and hating nukes are now embracing nuclear over oil....... how
short
> > our memories are. France and other countries have successfully used
nuclear
> > without incident...... the bigger issue is what do you do with the
waste....
> > if you put it into the Atlantic or pacific ocean then someday you better
not
> > order Salmon dinner or Halibut steak as Halibut are bottom fish..... so
> > while we may have to resort in the interim to nuclear plants we are
creating
> > a problem for the next generation as far as disposing of the waste...
> > somehow the big bad oil companies don't seem like such
> > villains................
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: wavemechanic
> > To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:44 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/ Oil
> >
> > Dorothy:
> >
> > Several years ago, the DoE was advised to maintain expertise in
nuclear
> > energy so that when the first city goes cold and dark the country would
not
> > have to reinvent the wheel in order to get going. Looks like we are
just
> > about there.
> >
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dorothy K. Carter
> > To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/ Oil
> >
> > AMEN....Up until 1 yr ago... I lived in Anchorage Alaska for
27yrs.
> > and it
> > is taking this disaster to get the greenies to figure out the
> > importance of
> > having domestic oil supply vs being so dependant on foreign oil..
It
> > has
> > been a smart decision made my U.S. govt to import foreign oil
while
> > the
> > price of crude oil is was low priced and to save ours for a time
when
> > the
> > price would be high. It is apparant that .. that time is possibly
> > upon us.
> > I can assure you that the pipeline does no harm to the
environment...
> > in
> > fact the grass and voilage around and under the pipeline
flourishes
> > from the
> > warmth... and the caribou migrate close to the pipeline because of
the
> > warmth... Alaskans during the last oil embargo use to have a
saying
> > toward
> > the people in the lower 48 who were anti Alaskan oil
development.....
> > "let
> > the bas----ds freeze in the dark".. well folks... it appears
that....
> > that
> > time might be upon us if we can't get the politicians to
understand
> > the
> > importance of having ability to develop our natural resources and
to
> > have
> > the refineries to bring the product to the consumer.....
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gila Brock" <brock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/ Oil
> >
> > > This article was written by Joseph Farah, an Arab-American
> > journalist, not
> > > an Israeli:
> > >
> > > The Wakeup Call
> > >
> > > Joseph Farah
> > > September 13, 2001
> > >
> > > America got its long-awaited, long-anticipated and long-dreaded
> > wakeup
> > call.
> > >
> > > The terror war came home in a big way Tuesday, Sept. 11.
> > >
> > > Everything has changed. Nothing will be the same, again.
> > >
> > > Just look at the impact the slaughter and destruction had on
George
> > W.
> > Bush
> > > and Colin Powell, for instance.
> > >
> > > For months, as Israel has faced, on a daily basis, similar
terror
> > incidents
> > > carried out by people living within its very borders, Bush and
> > Powell have
> > > told the Israelis over and over again: "Show restraint.
Negotiate.
> > Don't
> > use
> > > excessive force. Don't retaliate. Break the cycle of violence."
> > >
> > > Yet, within hours of the blitzkrieg attack on the World Trade
Center
> > and
> > > Pentagon and the dramatic hijacking of four airliners, the
> > Bush-Powell
> > tune
> > > had changed.
> > >
> > > There was no talk of restraint. There was no talk of
negotiation.
> > There
> > was
> > > no worry about excessive force. There was a promise of
retaliation.
> > And
> > we,
> > > as a nation, were assured that we would not lay down in hopes
the
> > attackers
> > > would be satisfied with their blood toll.
> > >
> > > Bush, in fact, asserted he would hold any nation harboring the
> > terrorists
> > > accountable for their actions. Israel has been coaxed and
bullied by
> > the
> > > U.S. to do precisely the opposite.
> > >
> > > Now the U.S. administration says it is outraged and is
determined to
> > > "punish" those responsible for "the attack on freedom."
> > >
> > > I'm glad to hear it. And, far be it for me to question the
sudden
> > good
> > > judgment being shown in Washington. But it's illustrative of
what I
> > have
> > > been saying for the last year. The U.S. has been asking Israel
to
> > maintain
> > > an untenable course of inaction. In fact, Washington has helped
to
> > ensure
> > > that terrorism would spread beyond the Middle East to the shores
of
> > the
> > U.S.
> > > through its shaky, equivocal, timid, impotent, weak, half-way
> > measures in
> > > the face of Israel's constant battle with terror.
> > >
> > > Does Bush really get it? Will he follow through on his own
promise?
> > Will
> > his
> > > demands on Israel change? Does he plan to follow his own advice?
> > >
> > > Who knows? Time will tell. But Americans would do well to
remember
> > this
> > > moment - to reflect on the pain, to recall this mourning. This
is
> > what
> > > Israel has been enduring in its own less dramatic way - day
after
> > day,
> > drip
> > > after drip, explosion after bloody explosion.
> > >
> > > Let me go further. We hear many pundits and administration
spokesmen
> > naming
> > > names - Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq. Yet, I haven't heard a
one
> > of them
> > > mention the home state of the chief suspect - Osama bin Laden.
> > >
> > > He's not an Afghani, by the way. He's a Saudi - and that's where
his
> > support
> > > comes from. That's where his money comes from. That's his
lifeline -
> > > oil-rich, "moderate" Saudi Arabia.
> > >
> > > Is Washington prepared to issue ultimatums to Mecca? If not, why
> > not?
> > >
> > > The answer, of course, is oil - which is why as a matter of
national
> > > strategic defense, America needs to do what is necessary to
achieve
> > energy
> > > independence as quickly as possible. Wars do tend to get messy,
you
> > know.
> > > And America has the natural resources to be independent of
Mideast
> > oil.
> > >
> > > To do so, however, we've got to decide as a nation whether we
are
> > more
> > > scared of radical environmentalists or radical Muslims. That's
the
> > choice
> > > before us.
> > >
> > > In a very real sense, we can look at the tens of thousands of
> > casualties
> > in
> > > Tuesday's horror as casualties of the radical environmentalists,
who
> > have
> > > persuaded Americans they would be better off dependent on
foreign
> > oil than
> > > on marring the landscape or causing undue stress in the elk.
> > >
> > > It's time to get serious, folks. This is war. We don't fight
wars
> > with
> > > people who control our vital natural resources. But we may have
to
> > fight a
> > > war with the people supplying us with oil. What are we going to
do
> > about
> > > that?
> > >
> > > Americans may be called to sacrifice. I think they're ready for
such
> > a
> > call.
> > > They watched the devastation on TV Tuesday. They will rise to
the
> > occasion -
> > > if their leaders in Washington ask them to do so.
> > >
> > > It's a time for sacrifices. That means even the elk in Alaska
may
> > need to
> > > lose a few acres of real estate for the greater good - saving
the
> > lives of
> > > Americans.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Daniel Goncharoff <thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/ Oil
> > >
> > >
> > > > In the interest of helping people to know their enemy better,
I
> > want to
> > > > express my opinion based on research over the last year that
the
> > main
> > > > 'provocation' the US has committed against Islam is its
continued
> > > > presence in Saudi Arabia, which is seen as hallowed ground by
> > Muslims.
> > > >
> > > > I take this from translations of speeches by Osama Bin Laden,
> > which are
> > > > much more available from European sources, eg the UK press,
then
> > they
> > > > are from US sources.
> > > >
> > > > Many Americans are perhaps deceived by the focus in the US
press
> > on
> > > > other Arab nations that are extremely vocal in their
opposition to
> > > > Israel and, accordingly, to its strong ally the US. Most of
these
> > > > governments are, in fact, supportive of the US due to our
> > protection of
> > > > Kuwait against Iraq, but they are not democracies, and
therefore
> > also
> > > > allow anti-American feelings among their (mostly down-trodden)
> > people to
> > > > continue bubbling up, diverting attention from their own
regimes.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > DanG
> > > >
> > > >
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