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They can be made to run off of many types of energy
sources. The main point is they don't rely on oil, although there are some
like the GM fuel cell that has a cracker that will permit the
automotive fuel cell to run off of gasoline. Another type uses solar
energy to breakdown water into the H2 and O for storage for nighttime
use.
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Dorothy
K. Carter
To: <A title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 7:22
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/
Oil
So they run of off natural gas which does not
totally replace energy..... I know one of the auto makers has cars that
switch back and forth.. when you pass or need speed the gasoline kicks in..
if you are just driving around town then electricity or whatever
is being used.........
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<A title=bobrabcd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:bobrabcd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>BobR
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001
10:10 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/
Oil
Los Angeles Water and Power is installing
fuel cells now that run off of natural gas. The State of Ca is running
fuel cell busses.
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<A title=dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx
href="mailto:dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx";>Dorothy Carter
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001
7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/
Oil
Correct me if I am wrong Norman but
not at it's level of current development... It is not developed to
the point where an entire city can run off of fuel cells where as Nuclear
is ....The point of bringing up nuclear by one of the
individuals was that if we don't have enough electricity as the Calif
situation that building a nuclear power plant may be the quickest
solution. Someday when the R & D has brought a product
using fuel cells that is more economic and can replace the other
prominent sources of energy used today then it will start taking
away market share...
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<A title=nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Norman Winski
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001
10:07 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/
Oil
DC,
I did read it and was reminding you
that this was a far better option.
Cheers,
Norman
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<A title=dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx
href="mailto:dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx";>Dorothy K. Carter
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15,
2001 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your
colors/ Oil
Norman If you read post below
there was no mention of fuel cells....I was talking about Nuclear not
fuel cells....... :-)
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<A title=nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Norman Winski
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15,
2001 9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your
colors/ Oil
Dorothy,
The only waste product from
hydrogen fuel cells is water vapor.
Cheers,
Norman
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<A title=dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx
href="mailto:dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx";>Dorothy Carter
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15,
2001 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your
colors/ Oil
Yes, and the same greenies that we
use to see in the airports hugging trees and hating nukes are now
embracing nuclear over oil....... how short our memories
are. France and other countries have successfully used
nuclear without incident...... the bigger issue is what do you do
with the waste.... if you put it into the Atlantic or pacific
ocean then someday you better not order Salmon dinner or Halibut
steak as Halibut are bottom fish..... so while we may have to
resort in the interim to nuclear plants we are creating a problem
for the next generation as far as disposing of the waste...
somehow the big bad oil companies don't seem like such
villains................
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<A title=wd78@xxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:wd78@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>wavemechanic
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September
15, 2001 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your
colors/ Oil
Dorothy:
Several years ago, the DoE was advised
to maintain expertise in nuclear energy so that when the first
city goes cold and dark the country would not have to reinvent
the wheel in order to get going. Looks like we are just
about there.
Bill
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<A title=dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx
href="mailto:dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx";>Dorothy K. Carter
To: <A
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September
15, 2001 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show
your colors/ Oil
AMEN....Up until 1 yr ago... I lived in
Anchorage Alaska for 27yrs. and itis taking this disaster
to get the greenies to figure out the importance ofhaving
domestic oil supply vs being so dependant on foreign oil.. It
hasbeen a smart decision made my U.S. govt to import
foreign oil while theprice of crude oil is was low priced
and to save ours for a time when theprice would be
high. It is apparant that .. that time is possibly upon
us.I can assure you that the pipeline does no harm to the
environment... infact the grass and voilage around and
under the pipeline flourishes from thewarmth... and the
caribou migrate close to the pipeline because of
thewarmth... Alaskans during the last oil embargo
use to have a saying towardthe people in the lower 48 who
were anti Alaskan oil development..... "letthe bas----ds
freeze in the dark".. well folks... it appears that....
thattime might be upon us if we can't get the politicians
to understand theimportance of having ability to develop
our natural resources and to havethe refineries to bring
the product to the consumer.....----- Original Message
-----From: "Gila Brock" <<A
href="mailto:brock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>brock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To:
<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:52 PMSubject: Re: [RT] show
your colors/ Oil> This article was written by
Joseph Farah, an Arab-American journalist, not> an
Israeli:>> The Wakeup Call>>
Joseph Farah> September 13, 2001>>
America got its long-awaited, long-anticipated and
long-dreaded wakeupcall.>> The terror war
came home in a big way Tuesday, Sept. 11.>>
Everything has changed. Nothing will be the same,
again.>> Just look at the impact the slaughter
and destruction had on George W.Bush> and Colin
Powell, for instance.>> For months, as Israel
has faced, on a daily basis, similar
terrorincidents> carried out by people living
within its very borders, Bush and Powell have> told the
Israelis over and over again: "Show restraint. Negotiate.
Don'tuse> excessive force. Don't retaliate. Break
the cycle of violence.">> Yet, within hours of
the blitzkrieg attack on the World Trade Center and>
Pentagon and the dramatic hijacking of four airliners, the
Bush-Powelltune> had changed.>> There
was no talk of restraint. There was no talk of negotiation.
Therewas> no worry about excessive force. There was
a promise of retaliation. Andwe,> as a nation, were
assured that we would not lay down in hopes
theattackers> would be satisfied with their blood
toll.>> Bush, in fact, asserted he would hold
any nation harboring the terrorists> accountable for
their actions. Israel has been coaxed and bullied by
the> U.S. to do precisely the opposite.>>
Now the U.S. administration says it is outraged and is
determined to> "punish" those responsible for "the
attack on freedom.">> I'm glad to hear it. And,
far be it for me to question the sudden good> judgment
being shown in Washington. But it's illustrative of what I
have> been saying for the last year. The U.S. has been
asking Israel to maintain> an untenable course of
inaction. In fact, Washington has helped to ensure>
that terrorism would spread beyond the Middle East to the
shores of theU.S.> through its shaky, equivocal,
timid, impotent, weak, half-way measures in> the face
of Israel's constant battle with terror.>> Does
Bush really get it? Will he follow through on his own promise?
Willhis> demands on Israel change? Does he plan to
follow his own advice?>> Who knows? Time will
tell. But Americans would do well to remember this>
moment - to reflect on the pain, to recall this mourning. This
is what> Israel has been enduring in its own less
dramatic way - day after day,drip> after drip,
explosion after bloody explosion.>> Let me go
further. We hear many pundits and administration
spokesmennaming> names - Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran,
Iraq. Yet, I haven't heard a one of them> mention the
home state of the chief suspect - Osama bin
Laden.>> He's not an Afghani, by the way. He's a
Saudi - and that's where hissupport> comes from.
That's where his money comes from. That's his lifeline
-> oil-rich, "moderate" Saudi Arabia.>>
Is Washington prepared to issue ultimatums to Mecca? If not,
why not?>> The answer, of course, is oil - which
is why as a matter of national> strategic defense,
America needs to do what is necessary to achieve
energy> independence as quickly as possible. Wars do
tend to get messy, you know.> And America has the
natural resources to be independent of Mideast
oil.>> To do so, however, we've got to decide as
a nation whether we are more> scared of radical
environmentalists or radical Muslims. That's the
choice> before us.>> In a very real
sense, we can look at the tens of thousands of
casualtiesin> Tuesday's horror as casualties of the
radical environmentalists, who have> persuaded
Americans they would be better off dependent on foreign oil
than> on marring the landscape or causing undue stress
in the elk.>> It's time to get serious, folks.
This is war. We don't fight wars with> people who
control our vital natural resources. But we may have to fight
a> war with the people supplying us with oil. What are
we going to do about> that?>> Americans
may be called to sacrifice. I think they're ready for such
acall.> They watched the devastation on TV Tuesday.
They will rise to theoccasion -> if their leaders
in Washington ask them to do so.>> It's a time
for sacrifices. That means even the elk in Alaska may need
to> lose a few acres of real estate for the greater
good - saving the lives of>
Americans.>>>> ----- Original
Message -----> From: Daniel Goncharoff <<A
href="mailto:thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx";>thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx>>
To: <<A
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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:39 PM> Subject:
Re: [RT] show your colors/ Oil>>> > In
the interest of helping people to know their enemy better, I
want to> > express my opinion based on research over
the last year that the main> > 'provocation' the US
has committed against Islam is its continued> >
presence in Saudi Arabia, which is seen as hallowed ground by
Muslims.> >> > I take this from
translations of speeches by Osama Bin Laden, which are>
> much more available from European sources, eg the UK
press, then they> > are from US sources.>
>> > Many Americans are perhaps deceived by the
focus in the US press on> > other Arab nations that
are extremely vocal in their opposition to> > Israel
and, accordingly, to its strong ally the US. Most of
these> > governments are, in fact, supportive of the
US due to our protection of> > Kuwait against Iraq,
but they are not democracies, and therefore also> >
allow anti-American feelings among their (mostly down-trodden)
people to> > continue bubbling up, diverting
attention from their own regimes.> >> >
Regards> > DanG> >> >>
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