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Correct me if I am wrong Norman but not at
it's level of current development... It is not developed to the point
where an entire city can run off of fuel cells where as Nuclear is
....The point of bringing up nuclear by one of the individuals was that if
we don't have enough electricity as the Calif situation that building a nuclear
power plant may be the quickest solution. Someday when the R & D
has brought a product using fuel cells that is more economic and can replace the
other prominent sources of energy used today then it will start taking
away market share...
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Norman
Winski
To: <A
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title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 10:07
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/
Oil
DC,
I did read it and was reminding you that
this was a far better option.
Cheers,
Norman
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title=dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>Dorothy K. Carter
To: <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 9:41
PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/
Oil
Norman If you read post below there
was no mention of fuel cells....I was talking about Nuclear not fuel
cells....... :-)
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title=nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Norman Winski
To: <A
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title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001
9:54 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/
Oil
Dorothy,
The only waste product from hydrogen
fuel cells is water vapor.
Cheers,
Norman
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title=dorothy.carter@xxxxxxxx>Dorothy Carter
To: <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001
9:07 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors/
Oil
Yes, and the same greenies that we use
to see in the airports hugging trees and hating nukes are now embracing
nuclear over oil....... how short our memories are. France and
other countries have successfully used nuclear without incident......
the bigger issue is what do you do with the waste.... if you put it into
the Atlantic or pacific ocean then someday you better not order Salmon
dinner or Halibut steak as Halibut are bottom fish..... so while we
may have to resort in the interim to nuclear plants we are creating a
problem for the next generation as far as disposing of the waste...
somehow the big bad oil companies don't seem like such
villains................
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title=wd78@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wavemechanic
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title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15,
2001 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your
colors/ Oil
Dorothy:
Several years ago, the DoE was advised to
maintain expertise in nuclear energy so that when the first city goes
cold and dark the country would not have to reinvent the wheel in
order to get going. Looks like we are just about
there.
Bill
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To: <A
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title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, September 15,
2001 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] show your
colors/ Oil
AMEN....Up until 1 yr ago... I lived in Anchorage
Alaska for 27yrs. and itis taking this disaster to get the
greenies to figure out the importance ofhaving domestic oil
supply vs being so dependant on foreign oil.. It hasbeen a smart
decision made my U.S. govt to import foreign oil while theprice
of crude oil is was low priced and to save ours for a time when
theprice would be high. It is apparant that .. that time
is possibly upon us.I can assure you that the pipeline does no
harm to the environment... infact the grass and voilage around
and under the pipeline flourishes from thewarmth... and the
caribou migrate close to the pipeline because of
thewarmth... Alaskans during the last oil embargo use to
have a saying towardthe people in the lower 48 who were anti
Alaskan oil development..... "letthe bas----ds freeze in the
dark".. well folks... it appears that.... thattime might be upon
us if we can't get the politicians to understand theimportance
of having ability to develop our natural resources and to
havethe refineries to bring the product to the
consumer.....----- Original Message -----From: "Gila Brock"
<<A
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<<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Sent:
Saturday, September 15, 2001 3:52 PMSubject: Re: [RT] show your
colors/ Oil> This article was written by Joseph
Farah, an Arab-American journalist, not> an
Israeli:>> The Wakeup Call>> Joseph
Farah> September 13, 2001>> America got its
long-awaited, long-anticipated and long-dreaded
wakeupcall.>> The terror war came home in a big
way Tuesday, Sept. 11.>> Everything has changed.
Nothing will be the same, again.>> Just look at the
impact the slaughter and destruction had on George
W.Bush> and Colin Powell, for instance.>>
For months, as Israel has faced, on a daily basis, similar
terrorincidents> carried out by people living within its
very borders, Bush and Powell have> told the Israelis over
and over again: "Show restraint. Negotiate. Don'tuse>
excessive force. Don't retaliate. Break the cycle of
violence.">> Yet, within hours of the blitzkrieg
attack on the World Trade Center and> Pentagon and the
dramatic hijacking of four airliners, the
Bush-Powelltune> had changed.>> There was
no talk of restraint. There was no talk of negotiation.
Therewas> no worry about excessive force. There was a
promise of retaliation. Andwe,> as a nation, were assured
that we would not lay down in hopes theattackers> would
be satisfied with their blood toll.>> Bush, in fact,
asserted he would hold any nation harboring the terrorists>
accountable for their actions. Israel has been coaxed and bullied by
the> U.S. to do precisely the opposite.>> Now
the U.S. administration says it is outraged and is determined
to> "punish" those responsible for "the attack on
freedom.">> I'm glad to hear it. And, far be it for me
to question the sudden good> judgment being shown in
Washington. But it's illustrative of what I have> been saying
for the last year. The U.S. has been asking Israel to
maintain> an untenable course of inaction. In fact,
Washington has helped to ensure> that terrorism would spread
beyond the Middle East to the shores of theU.S.> through
its shaky, equivocal, timid, impotent, weak, half-way measures
in> the face of Israel's constant battle with
terror.>> Does Bush really get it? Will he follow
through on his own promise? Willhis> demands on Israel
change? Does he plan to follow his own advice?>> Who
knows? Time will tell. But Americans would do well to remember
this> moment - to reflect on the pain, to recall this
mourning. This is what> Israel has been enduring in its own
less dramatic way - day after day,drip> after drip,
explosion after bloody explosion.>> Let me go further.
We hear many pundits and administration spokesmennaming>
names - Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq. Yet, I haven't heard a one
of them> mention the home state of the chief suspect - Osama
bin Laden.>> He's not an Afghani, by the way. He's a
Saudi - and that's where hissupport> comes from. That's
where his money comes from. That's his lifeline -> oil-rich,
"moderate" Saudi Arabia.>> Is Washington prepared to
issue ultimatums to Mecca? If not, why not?>> The
answer, of course, is oil - which is why as a matter of
national> strategic defense, America needs to do what is
necessary to achieve energy> independence as quickly as
possible. Wars do tend to get messy, you know.> And America
has the natural resources to be independent of Mideast
oil.>> To do so, however, we've got to decide as a
nation whether we are more> scared of radical
environmentalists or radical Muslims. That's the choice>
before us.>> In a very real sense, we can look at the
tens of thousands of casualtiesin> Tuesday's horror as
casualties of the radical environmentalists, who have>
persuaded Americans they would be better off dependent on foreign
oil than> on marring the landscape or causing undue stress in
the elk.>> It's time to get serious, folks. This is
war. We don't fight wars with> people who control our vital
natural resources. But we may have to fight a> war with the
people supplying us with oil. What are we going to do about>
that?>> Americans may be called to sacrifice. I think
they're ready for such acall.> They watched the
devastation on TV Tuesday. They will rise to theoccasion
-> if their leaders in Washington ask them to do
so.>> It's a time for sacrifices. That means even the
elk in Alaska may need to> lose a few acres of real estate
for the greater good - saving the lives of>
Americans.>>>> ----- Original Message
-----> From: Daniel Goncharoff <<A
href="mailto:thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx";>thegonch@xxxxxxxxxx>>
To: <<A
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Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:39 PM> Subject: Re: [RT]
show your colors/ Oil>>> > In the interest
of helping people to know their enemy better, I want to> >
express my opinion based on research over the last year that the
main> > 'provocation' the US has committed against Islam
is its continued> > presence in Saudi Arabia, which is
seen as hallowed ground by Muslims.> >> > I take
this from translations of speeches by Osama Bin Laden, which
are> > much more available from European sources, eg the
UK press, then they> > are from US sources.>
>> > Many Americans are perhaps deceived by the focus
in the US press on> > other Arab nations that are
extremely vocal in their opposition to> > Israel and,
accordingly, to its strong ally the US. Most of these> >
governments are, in fact, supportive of the US due to our protection
of> > Kuwait against Iraq, but they are not democracies,
and therefore also> > allow anti-American feelings among
their (mostly down-trodden) people to> > continue bubbling
up, diverting attention from their own regimes.> >>
> Regards> > DanG> >> >>
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