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Bobr,
Thanks for the map so I can plan my next vacation. Where are the discos?
Cheers,
Norman
----- Original Message -----
From: "BobR" <bobrabcd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: [RT] Your colors - Our enemy.
> The attached chart shows what would be hit if Kabul is bombed. Notice the
> Russian and British Embassies are located furthest from the center of the
> city. There is nothing strategic there that justifies bombing. This is
> going to have to be a bush war for sure.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Thompson" <detomps@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 2:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [RT] Your colors - Our enemy.
>
>
> > Jeff,
> > It is very frustrating, Japan still after 50 years has Imperialist
> Military
> > cults ....
> >
> > One of the things that might work, I'd try buying them out, Like since
a
> > country is so damn poor and in shambles .... then you have to ask what
> would
> > 10 billion dollars do to Afganistan? Might be a nice the first shall be
> the
> > last and the last shall be the first kind of operation.. That is an
> option,
> > but.. who in the hell knows.. Running the military in such a situation
is
> > like squashing an American slum with 105 mm howizters... And these
asshole
> > Taliban and Bin Laden people will hole up there. Totally frustrating.
So
> I
> > guess the American leadership needs a new manual
> > how to fight a coward on his own terms..
> > No easy answers..
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeffrey Harteam" <jharteam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 8:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: [RT] Your colors - Our enemy.
> >
> >
> > > Greeting Don and ALL:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the nice post. I too remembered few years ago regarding the
> war
> > > between Afganistan and the Soviet. Back then, I personally judged and
> > felt the
> > > plight of the Afghans. And I could still remember my anger towards
the
> > > Russians. I felt this way a few years back and I cannot see why I
should
> > change
> > > my view about these Afghans now. But having said that, IMHO,
resolution
> > by
> > > force is a must towards these terrorist establishments. As one
Canadian
> > fellow
> > > trader put it, "This is damn too much". Resolving the matter through
> > diplomatic
> > > channels ONLY work when the counter party has a true sense of value
> > towards
> > > life. Obviously and proven time after time in the past, life is cheap
> and
> > > absolutely has no meaning to these S.O.Bs. US is not alone this time
to
> > deal
> > > with these evil forces. The feelings, anger and determinations are
very
> > much in
> > > sync with the United States throughout most the asia pacific rims and
> most
> > of
> > > the major European developed nations as well. When I saw on tv these
> kids
> > and
> > > women celebrating on the streets somewhere in the Middle East after
the
> > > destruction of the WTCs, I felt so sick of watching these "human
> beings".
> > When
> > > these kids grow up, there will be another batch of terrorists all too
> > ready and
> > > eager to go for another building in some major cities around the
world.
> I
> > > concluded to myself: Men, women and kids make no difference when it
> comes
> > to
> > > evil deeds. They are all in the same category. Honestly, I feel shame
to
> > make
> > > such conclusion but this is the reality to me. Regards.
> > >
> > > Take care and God Bless to All
> > > Jeff Harteam
> > > Hong Kong
> > >
> > > Don Thompson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hmmm, sounds like the same old Left-Right hup hup hup hup....
> > > > Gentlemen, here's another view of the world and the intention of the
> > Enemy
> > > > and ...... the land in which he lives.
> > > > I got this forwarded to me by my wife. Something to put into your
> mind
> > and
> > > > think about with all this free time until the Market opens. Got to
> come
> > up
> > > > with creative mind boggling solutions.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Don Thompson
> > > >
> > > > >Subject: [Fwd: Great article about afghanistan/taliban/bin laden]
> > > > One of our colleague posted the following article and it really
shows
> > > > theplight of the real Afghans.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Imran
> > > >
> > > > Dear Friends,
> > > > The following was sent to me by my friend Tamim Ansary. Tamim is
> > > > an Afghani-American writer. He is also one of the most brilliant
> people
> > > > I know in this life. When he writes, I read. When he talks, I
> listen.
> > > > Here is his take on Afghanistan and the whole mess we are in.
> > > > -Gary T.
> > > >
> > > > Dear Gary and whoever else is on this email thread:
> > > > I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to
> > > > the Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that
this
> > > > would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do
with
> > > > this atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral
damage.
> > > > What else can we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit
discussing
> > > > whether we "have the belly to do what must be done."
> > > > And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because
> > > > I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years
> I've
> > > > never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone
> who
> > > > will listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.
> > > > I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is
no
> > > > doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity
> > > > in New York. I agree that something must be done about those
monsters.
> > > > But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even
> > > > the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant
> > > > psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a
political
> > > > criminal
> > > > with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think
Bin
> > > > Laden, think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan"
> > think
> > > > "the Jews in the concentration camps." It's not only that the
Afghan
> > > > people had nothing to do with this atrocity.
> > > > They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if
> > > > someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the
> rats
> > > > nest of international thugs holed up in their country.
> > > > Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban?
The
> > > > answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated,
suffering.
> > > > A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000
> > > > disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no economy, no food.
> > > > There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying
these
> > > > widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines,
> the
> > > > farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the
> reasons
> > > > why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban.
> > > > We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone
> > > > Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it
> already.
> > > > Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering. Level their
> houses?
> > > > Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate
their
> > > > hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from
> > > > medicine
> > > > and health care? Too late. Someone already did all that.
> > > >
> > > > New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they
at
> > > > least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the
> > > > Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip
> away
> > and
> > > > hide.
> > > > Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't
> > > > move too fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over
Kabul
> > > > and dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals
> > > > who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common
> > > > cause with the Taliban--by raping once again the people they've been
> > > > raping all this time
> > > > So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with
> > > > true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in
> there
> > > > with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do
what
> > > > needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to
> kill
> > > > as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms
> about
> > > > killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand.
What's
> > > > actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some
> > > > Americans
> > > > would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's
> hideout.
> > > > It's much bigger than that folks. Because to get any troops to
> > Afghanistan,
> > > > We'd have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The
> > > > conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim
> nations
> > just
> > > > stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war
> > between
> > > > Islam and the West.
> > > > And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he
> > wants.
> > > > That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all
> > right
> > > > there. He really believes Islam would beat the west. It might seem
> > > > ridiculous,
> > > > but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West,
> > > > he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in
those
> > > > lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's
even
> > > > better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the
> end
> > > > the west would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last
> > > > for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has
> the
> > > > belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?
> > > > Tamim Ansary
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 2:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [RT] show your colors
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >> Sonny, I have a better idea. Why don't we throw the liberals
> out
> > of
> > > > > >> office. How do you identify a liberal? It's easy:
> > > > >
> > > > > >> * they cut the military budget
> > > > > >> * ignore the absolute disaster in our immigration policy
> > > > > >> * force diversity down our throats
> > > > > >> * destroy our schools by increasing spending with all the
> > > > > >> money going to diversity and sex programs
> > > > > >> * seek to pacify and endlessly negotiate with our enemies
> > > > > >> * and politicize every issue instead of thinking what's best
for
> > > > > >> America.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> I love this country, but I'm disgusted with the jerks we send
to
> > > > govern
> > > > > >> us. Just look at this jerk Gary Condit, and I think he's a
> member
> > of
> > > > or
> > > > > >> chairman of a defense committee. Ask yourself: why is this
> > low-life
> > > > > >> still getting support from his constituents and many of his
> party
> > > > > >> members? Flying flags is an effort for a week, but paying
> > attention to
> > > > > >> who we vote for is a full-time effort, and it's one we have to
> > take
> > > > on.
> > > > >
> > > > > >> Ralph
> > > > >
> > > > > ralph, before you blow a gasket, a reminder or two:
> > > > >
> > > > > (1) one of the "jerks" that govern us approved $43 million in aid
to
> > > > > afghanistan & the taliban just a few months ago. it's a
simple
> > > > > web search. guess who it was?
> > > > >
> > > > > (2) we have something called voting in this country. you have
> exactly
> > > > > ONE of them. the rest of the people in this country likewise
> each
> > > > > have one.
> > > > >
> > > > > - *lk
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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