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Indeed. "diplomatic efforts" assume that those with whom you
have dialogue have a common principle and ethic at base. Terrorists
do not. They are like insects. And insects know no diplomacy. They
just keep coming back until they get what they want.
The only "diplomatic efforts" that will have any weight in this matter
is to threaten any country that harbor terrorists with a retribution so
conclusive as to change their way of life irrevocably--as we did with
Japan.
Our leaders should and will, I'm sure, ask calmy, firmly, and even
respectfully for this cooperation and policy alignment. But this time,
if we do not get the response we need, I believe the resolve is sufficiently
widespread in this country at this time to take whatever action or series
of actions are necessary. No apologies, just resolve.
MScheier
Bob Heisler wrote:
> Perhaps I'm missing something, and it sure wouldn't be the first time, but
> please explain how "diplomatic" efforts can combat these kind of people.
> I've listened to this sort of rhetoric for the last decade and quite frankly
> am sick of it.
>
> There comes a time when we have to end this form of thinking that puts
> symbolism over substance, words over actions, the acceptance of unacceptable
> behavior, the solving of problems by hoping they go away and the practice of
> rationalizing and making excuses for everything.
>
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Bronke" <jvbronke@xxxxxxxx>
> To: <bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "MikeSuesserott"
> <MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>; <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> <qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 9:30 AM
> Subject: Re: God Bless America
>
> > I am not against striking back. Only, I point out that involvement in
> > retribution does not solve the problem. The only way to truly solve the
> > problem is through diplomatic efforts. Those need to be rethought as well.
> >
> > Jim Bronke
> > Phoenix, AZ
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Daniel" <bogeybunky@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Jim Bronke" <jvbronke@xxxxxxxx>; "MikeSuesserott"
> > <MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> > <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>; <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> > <qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:02 AM
> > Subject: RE: God Bless America
> >
> >
> > : Those who wish to strike back with vengeance don't
> > : seem to realize that the death of a thousand terrorists can not make up
> > for
> > : the loss of one of our lives.
> > :
> > : Jim
> > :
> > : It is true that the death of a thousand terrorists cannot make up for
> the
> > : loss of our lives. However, there will
> > : be a thousand less terrorists to take further lives. Diplomacy has its
> > : place. So does force. Force may be the
> > : one thing that will cause the terrorists to consider that maybe there is
> a
> > : better way to resolve conflict than
> > : through their terror. We cannot be afraid to face them. The current
> > : tragedy is the result of total dependence
> > : on diplomacy and our failure to realize that when we are compelled to
> use
> > : force it must be for total and complete victory.
> > : The US does not use force recklessly, but there is a time and place for
> > it.
> > : This is one of those times. The place is wherever terrorism resides.
> > :
> > : Bill Daniel
> > :
> > :
> > :
> > :
> > : -----Original Message-----
> > : From: Jim Bronke [mailto:jvbronke@xxxxxxxx]
> > : Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 2:02 AM
> > : To: MikeSuesserott; realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx;
> > : metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > : Subject: Re: God Bless America
> > :
> > :
> > : Mike,
> > :
> > : Thank you very much for your thoughts. This list has a way of bonding
> > : people from around the world in more ways than just technically. Most
> > : Americans have ties to other countries. My great grandfather was from
> > : Germany. He came over abt. 1886. his name was Frederick Brunk. Although
> > this
> > : is just a very small part of my lineage it is a tie that binds. This is
> a
> > : sad time for us and reflects that we can't intercede in world affairs
> > : without paying a price. Those who wish to strike back with vengeance
> don't
> > : seem to realize that the death of a thousand terrorists can not make up
> > for
> > : the loss of one of our lives. I have been glued to my TV, watching the
> > news
> > : reports, our brave firemen and policemen, we can't forget them.
> > : If we view the answer to this crisis is revenge than we have become one
> of
> > : them and we have become part of the problem. It is only through wise
> > : diplomacy that we can solve this problem. I'm afraid that what I have
> seen
> > : for the last 30 years has been anything but that.
> > : We have created fertile ground for the hatred of America by picking
> allies
> > : and over injecting ourselves in other parts of the world. For that we
> pay.
> > : We will survive, though.
> > :
> > : Just a little over a year ago I was in N.Y. City in June 2000 attending
> > the
> > : OmegaWorld convention there. Dancing, being a hobby of mine got me out
> > each
> > : night. One of my fondest memories was attending a swing night at Window
> of
> > : the World Restaurant and Bar at the top of the World Trade Center
> > building.
> > : It was incredible. Now it is just a memory, a very fond one. At one
> point
> > I
> > : walked over to the window with a gal I had befriended. The distance down
> > is
> > : so incredible she couldn't even walk over. She crawled as we got close
> and
> > : peeked down. LOL. There is a spirit and a life to many parts of our
> > country
> > : and I was happy to make NYC a part of my life for that week. Our country
> > : will survive, we will need to make changes, however.
> > :
> > : Thanks to all the O'Listers around the world for your thoughts and
> prayers
> > : during this time.
> > :
> > : Jim Bronke
> > : Phoenix, AZ
> > :
> > :
> > :
> > : ----- Original Message -----
> > : From: "MikeSuesserott" <MikeSuesserott@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > : To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>;
> > : <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <qcharts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > : Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 6:01 PM
> > : Subject: God Bless America
> > :
> > :
> > : : Like so many of you, I feel deeply for the terrible tragedy that has
> > : : occurred. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their
> > families,
> > : : and with the American people.
> > : :
> > : : Germany is in shock. All public building are flagged at half-mast. In
> > : : uninterrupted streams for the past 30 or so hours, people have been
> > : placing
> > : : flowers in front of the American embassy in Berlin, and the American
> > : : consulates in other cities. During working hours, you could see many
> > : school
> > : : children who came individually or with their teacher, trying to place
> > : their
> > : : flowers as close to the embassy gates as possible; during lunch break
> > and
> > : : after the offices close, the other age groups come. Many are sobbing,
> or
> > : : have tears in their eyes. Now, at night, you see numerous windows that
> > : have
> > : : candles placed in them. Memorial services are being held all over the
> > : : country for the victims. This morning a memorial service was held in a
> > : large
> > : : cathedral in Berlin, with the Chancellor and other dignitaries
> present.
> > : The
> > : : cathedral was filled to the overflowing, with so many people wanting
> to
> > : : attend that a second service had to be scheduled immediately
> thereafter.
> > : :
> > : : The world, and Germany in particular, has much for which to be
> thankful
> > to
> > : : America; now America deserves the loyalty of her allies. Her kind,
> > : : large-hearted, and freedom-loving spirit, more than any technological
> > : power,
> > : : has made America the leader of the world and a beacon of light and
> hope
> > : for
> > : : the downtrodden nations. I know this great nation will prevail over
> the
> > : : present crisis, and come out the stronger for it. God bless America!
> > : :
> > : : Michael Suesserott
> > : :
> > :
> >
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