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Hello Chris,

        When you refer to using astrology,  what did you find?  Were you
coding your own, calling "C' modules, or using add-ons to tradestation?  Did
you test with helio, geo and declination cycles or some combo of them?.
Hope you don't mind me asking these questions.  Did you followup on previous
work, like Donald Bradley etc.?    Thanks for whatever info you'd be willing
to share.
          Happy trading , Tim

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris McMurry <chrismcmurry@xxxxxxxx>
To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] Re: An untimely death


> It's not that there is no astro system.  The problem is that the systems
> are not at all trivial to code.  One can blithely post a system such as
>
> If Average(Close, 40) crosses above Average(Close, 200) Then
>     Buy At Market;
>
> because it's so dang easy to code.  I have written systems that use
> astrology, and I am not going to just post the code, because it's
> hundreds of hours worth of work!
>
> So why don't I just post the idea behind a system, i.e., buy when the
> Moon trines Mars?  Because that's not the way to trade astro, IMO.  It's
> best used as a timing adjunct to other technical methodologies.
>
> Chris
>
> wavemechanic wrote:
>
> > Ztrader: You are asking for a system when there is no system.  That
> > does not mean that the approach is wrong.  If the bottom line is OK
> > then it is OK.  Many trade without a rigid system, but rather with the
> > requirement that there be a convergence of a variety of indicators.
> > Nothing that is expressed mathematically, and undoubtedly executed in
> > part subconsciously without the rigor of visible logic, but it works.
> > Although I do not use astro stuff, I operate in this manner, and my
> > guess is that Haytham does also (Haytham correct me if I
> > misrepresenting your position).  If you want to reduce such trading to
> > a system you will have to study successful traders that operate in
> > this manner and develop a system that reproduces their actions.  It is
> > your responsibility not theirs to reduce their trading technique to
> > mathematical system, if you want to study and/or use such a system.
> > There is more than one way to skin a cat. Bill
> >
> >      ----- Original Message -----
> >      From:ztrader
> >      To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >      Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 5:09 PM
> >      Subject: Re: [RT] Re: An untimely death
> >       On Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 7:13:19 PM, Haytham Albizem
> >      wrote:
> >
> >      HA> What I am trying to say, there is no simple way to solve
> >      the issue
> >      HA> of trading system:
> >
> >      I was not insisting that it be simple. I was looking for a
> >      simple
> >      astro system just as a start, to get a quantitative idea of
> >      the kinds
> >      of 'indicators' and logical processes used in astro.
> >
> >      HA> Here part of what I look in my anaysis on a single
> >      stock:
> >
> >      <snip lots of stuff>
> >
> >      This is a very large number of items. If you use all of
> >      them, how do
> >      you combine them? If not, how do you select those to use for
> >      a
> >      particular trade?
> >
> >      HA> FORECAST TOOLS
> >
> >      HA>   1.. FOURIER ANALYSIS
> >      HA>   2.. TIME AND PRICE CLUSTER
> >      HA>   3.. GANN ANGLES AND SQUARES WITH PLANETARY MOVEMENTS
> >      AND ASPECTS
> >      HA>   4.. RSI DIVERGENCE
> >      HA>   5.. MACD DIVERGENCE
> >      HA>   6.. CANDLSTICK PATTERNS
> >      HA>   7.. MA
> >      HA>   8.. S/R
> >      HA>   9.. BRADLY MODEL
> >      HA>   10.. PATTERNS
> >      HA>   11.. ELLIOT WAVE
> >      HA>   12.. SUPER TIMING TECHNIQUE
> >
> >      There seem to many non-astro techniques on the list. What is
> >      the
> >      relative value of the astro versus the non-astro parts? The
> >      non-astro
> >      parts can be quantified easily and checked. What do we check
> >      for the
> >      astro parts?
> >
> >      HA> In summery, I look at EVERYTHING and after looking at
> >      EVERYTHING
> >      HA> this creat a beutifull picture in my mind.
> >
> >      Yep. 'System' people might call this pattern recognition.
> >      They would
> >      ask what steps you do in your mind to make this pattern
> >      apparent. This
> >      is sometimes difficult, and people often do not consciously
> >      know what
> >      they really do. The 'knowledge engineering' needed to get
> >      from a
> >      'picture' to a computer algorithm is very often long and
> >      hard.
> >
> >      HA> This is how I trade, I am sorry if I disappont you.
> >
> >      *You* do not disappoint me at all. I may be disappointed
> >      that this is
> >      not an example of an astro 'system', but I really DO
> >      appreciate your
> >      comments and descriptions. I am hoping we can finally bridge
> >      the gap.
> >
> >      Thanks,
> >
> >      ztrader
> >
> >
> >
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