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Re: [RT] Validity of orbital element



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Bill,
 
   Cause and effect are not needed to 
make money. The purpose of this discussion is not to make a breakthough in 
Astrophysics.  If I find a good correlation, I am going to exploit it to 
make money until it stops working. On the other hand, a strong repititive 
correlation between extra-terrrestrial bodies and human behavior may someday 
lead to some scientific discoveries. Maybe I will leave some of my 
money to a science foundation to research this.
 
Cheers,
 
Norman  
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  Subject: Re: [RT] Validity of orbital 
  element
  
  Clyde:
   
  You have put your finger on the misunderstanding 
  between the two "camps" in this debate, but given the number of posts on 
  this subject I think it is worth underlining.
   
  Your correlation regarding use of the new moon for 
  timing might very well be quite significant in a statistical sense.  As 
  you note, this correlation is strong "regardless of whether the moon itself is 
  influencing the markets."  Exactly right.  Observation of an 
  effect cannot by itself prove or disprove a causal relationship.  No 
  matter how statistically significant the correlation is it cannot prove 
  causation.  Cause and effect can only be established by a theory that 
  explains the observed correlation.  So in a very real sense everybody is 
  right.  At least in the case of the moon, as evidenced by your example, 
  there is a strong correlation between a body in outer space and 
  markets, and this correlation might very well be a valid basis for 
  trading purposes.  However, absent a theoretical basis for 
  connecting outer space bodies with markets, there is no basis for 
  claiming a cause and effect relationship between them.
   
  Bill
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    Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:28 
    PM
    Subject: Re: [RT] Validity of orbital 
    element
    
    Well it is nice to see someone post a 
    detailed set of math
    concerning the planets and other bodies 
    (particularly the
    moon) and claim that this set of math 
    proves that such
    bodies cannot have any influence on our 
    markets.
     
    I just want to post again a simple 
    graph that shows the
    results of buying on some selected 
    number of days after
    the new moon and selling 8 days 
    later.
     
    To me it is amazing that we get such a 
    STRONG indication
    that regardless of whether the moon 
    itself is influencing
    the markets that the markets react 
    periodically in a 
    manner that is tied to the moon 
    cycle.
     
    If you were to do this same study and 
    change the period
    of time representing the moon cycle by 
    even 1/4 day the
    whole thing "goes to hell".  I ran 
    a test where I varied
    the cycle in increments of  
    0.01  day and was amazed that
    even a very minor miscalculation in 
    moon period would
    destroy this relationship.
     
    Actually, the above seems to me to more 
    concretely show
    the influence is from the 'MOON EFFECT' 
    than from anything
    else we can imagine.
     
    Look at the graph -- choose the right 
    days and you will
    make money, choose the wrong days and 
    you will lose.
     
    How simple can you make it 
    ??????
     
     
    Clyde
     
     
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      Subject: [RT] Validity of orbital 
      element
      Hello Real Traders? ,I  humbly submit 
      the  following  argument against  planetary 
      influenceupon the earths financial markets. I  can only comment 
      upon the earthsbecause I have not yet been privileged enough to trade 
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