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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Well hello there again Norman,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>It <FONT color=#000000 face=Arial 
size=2><STRONG>is </STRONG></FONT>possible to do this with neural nets.&nbsp; In 
the short time I have been posting to RT regading these specific models, my Best 
Model has produced over $30,000 in additional equity since 1-20-2000 (13 trading 
days).&nbsp; Go nets go.&nbsp; As far as beating investment firms, take a look 
at Biocomp's severely abbreviated list of customers at <A 
href="http://www.biocompsystems.com/pages/customers.htm";>http://www.biocompsystems.com/pages/customers.htm</A> 
.&nbsp; I think you will recognize a few investment related firms there.&nbsp; 
They use Profit 2000 just as a multitude of individual investors do.&nbsp; I'm 
living proof it doesn't take millions of dollars in investment to generate great 
models.&nbsp; As an engineer and former professor of finance, I just applied 
some common sense indicators to predict the S&amp;P 500 futures prices. Nothing 
difficult about that. All lot of trial and error?&nbsp; You better believe 
it.&nbsp; It seems like anytime someone starts to contribute something of 
interest to this group that looks like it is making money in any shape or form, 
they are immediately attacked.&nbsp; I've seen this proven in numerous posts all 
too often.&nbsp; Fax me your trades if you have such a great system they 
say.&nbsp; I personally do not wish to put up with such nonsense from 
hyper-sensitive criticizers.&nbsp; For this reason, I am resigning myself from 
making further posts to this group regarding my models. Please at least try 
Profit 2000 or some other decent neural net program before you attack anyone 
else Norman.&nbsp; Neural nets do work if properly applied.&nbsp; I think you 
will be pleasantly surprised.&nbsp; See you at the bank, Brian.</FONT></DIV>
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<P>Mindspring wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;<FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Whoops.&nbsp;
Make that www.mindspring.com/~blee7/
.&nbsp; The parentheses at the end of the web address in the previous post
messed up the appropriate link. - Brian</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
Brian,
<BR>&nbsp; Commercial done yet?
<P>Uncommercially,
<P>Norman
<P>Commercial free message #149
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<P>Mindspring wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;<FONT COLOR="#000000"><FONT SIZE=-1>Hi Norm,</FONT></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-1>As I have explained in several previous posts, if anyone
wishes to obtain results that mimic and/or exceed my models, they need
only to turn to companies like BioComSystems http://www.biocompsystems.com/
which provides all details on how to build profitable models. With a 60
day money back guarantee on your purchase, how can you lose? I'm sure there
are other reputable neural vendors out there besides BioComp as well. -
Best wishes, Brian</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-1>NW:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Brian,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-1></FONT>&nbsp;<FONT SIZE=-1></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-1>1. Thanks for continuing your commercial.&nbsp; Can someone
tell me why Brian's post is not a commercial or why</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-1>his commercial is allowed? After all the controversy
we recently had on this topic, I would think Brian would be in RT jail
by now?.</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-1>2. Serveral major&nbsp; Wall Street have&nbsp; spent millions
of dollars trying to use neural networks and artificial intelligence wihout
much success. If it were possible to do this, it would be in the market
now. Any conventional program that can be purchased or created for under
a few million dollars has already been tried so you are not going to beat
Morgan Stanley or Goldman Sachs. The only way to beat these guys is to
find a system that they could never justify in a court of law under the
prudent man law. It would have to be something that is very unorthodox
that it would prohibit them from using it because they could be sued for
using it by their investors, i.e. Astrology.</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-1>Unprudently,</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-1>Norman</FONT><FONT SIZE=-1></FONT>
<P><FONT SIZE=-1>no artificial intelligence</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-1>no neurals</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-1>no commerical</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-1>this is commercial free message #150</FONT>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>You are missing the point.&nbsp; Your last few posts have been 
blatant advertisements, which you know are not allowed on RT.&nbsp; People do 
not attack winning methodologies; they attacks advertisements.&nbsp; Please stop 
posting them.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Sincerely,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Scot Billington</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:blee7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
  title=blee7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Mindspring</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
  title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 05, 2000 2:19 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [RT] If it were possible to do 
  this...</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Well hello there again Norman,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>It <FONT color=#000000 face=Arial 
  size=2><STRONG>is </STRONG></FONT>possible to do this with neural nets.&nbsp; 
  In the short time I have been posting to RT regading these specific models, my 
  Best Model has produced over $30,000 in additional equity since 1-20-2000 (13 
  trading days).&nbsp; Go nets go.&nbsp; As far as beating investment firms, 
  take a look at Biocomp's severely abbreviated list of customers at <A 
  href="http://www.biocompsystems.com/pages/customers.htm";>http://www.biocompsystems.com/pages/customers.htm</A> 
  .&nbsp; I think you will recognize a few investment related firms there.&nbsp; 
  They use Profit 2000 just as a multitude of individual investors do.&nbsp; I'm 
  living proof it doesn't take millions of dollars in investment to generate 
  great models.&nbsp; As an engineer and former professor of finance, I just 
  applied some common sense indicators to predict the S&amp;P 500 futures 
  prices. Nothing difficult about that. All lot of trial and error?&nbsp; You 
  better believe it.&nbsp; It seems like anytime someone starts to contribute 
  something of interest to this group that looks like it is making money in any 
  shape or form, they are immediately attacked.&nbsp; I've seen this proven in 
  numerous posts all too often.&nbsp; Fax me your trades if you have such a 
  great system they say.&nbsp; I personally do not wish to put up with such 
  nonsense from hyper-sensitive criticizers.&nbsp; For this reason, I am 
  resigning myself from making further posts to this group regarding my models. 
  Please at least try Profit 2000 or some other decent neural net program before 
  you attack anyone else Norman.&nbsp; Neural nets do work if properly 
  applied.&nbsp; I think you will be pleasantly surprised.&nbsp; See you at the 
  bank, Brian.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Subject: [RT] who is best electronic brokerage for trading OEX?
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Anyone have any experienced opinion about who is the best electronic
brokerage for trading OEX options?

Prime criteria are:

1. fast, accurate fills with direct to pit execution (does it exist for
OEX?)
2. reliable & stable independent software (i.e. not browser based, as this
implies reliability limitations)
3.  user friendly software (this is important)
4. live trading support (for down-times)
5. decent technical support

I'm not asking for much, am I?

I'm definitely not looking for the cheapest brokerage, but the best quality,
and best value, with all the above factors considered!

Thanks to any of you willing to offer suggestions!

Eliot


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