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<P>Tom Drake wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>While we're on the subject, does anyone have an opinion
on Don
<BR>Hall or his new Gann "Pyrapoint" book? He is said to have studied
<BR>with Renato Alghini, who was a Gann trading partner for some
<BR>years, and whom Norm Winski is also said to have known. Thanks.</BLOCKQUOTE>
NW: Tom, by coincidence, a few days ago I sent a letter in reply to Larry
Jacobs inquiry if
<BR>I knew anytihng about Renato Alghini. Please find below those parts
of my letter that directly
<BR>pertain to Mr. Alghini and&nbsp; Don Hall.
<P>Subject:
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Re: Hi Larry
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Date: January, 16, 2000
<BR>&nbsp;
<P>Traders World wrote:
<P>> Dear Norm
<BR>>
<BR>> It's good to hear from you.
<BR>>
<BR>> Do you know anything about Renato Alghini?
<P>NW: Yes, I knew Reno very well. Although he lived in W. Palm Beach,
FL,
<BR>he was originally from Chicago and had many friends and family in Chicago.
<BR>One of his best friends was Tony Martorano, floor trader on the CME,
and
<BR>who was a member of our local market research chat group. Tony introduced
<BR>me
<BR>to
<BR>Reno circa 1979. In 1980, I formed the Astro Cyclical Exchange (ACE)
a
<BR>national
<BR>network of market related cycle research people. This is one of those
magic
<BR>moments of convergence of people. Some of the then unknown younger
guys
<BR>went
<BR>on to fame and fortune. Once per year,
<BR>we would have a convention where every attendee (members only) were
<BR>required
<BR>to
<BR>make a presentation. Don Hall became a member about 1981. I could check
old
<BR>records
<BR>just as soon as I finish unpacking from having moved this past August.
So,
<BR>it was either through
<BR>ACE or at an ACE annual meeting that I believe I introduced Don Hall
to
<BR>Reno
<BR>Alghini.
<BR>The first ACE meeting Reno attended, I remember rather well. This is
<BR>because I was excited to introduce Phyllis Kahn to Reno, due to the
fact
<BR>that it was Reno's article about Gann, published
<BR>in Cycles Magazine, that got Phyllis interested in Gann. By the way,
I also
<BR>remember that Don Hall was particularly interested in the pyramids
and how
<BR>the Great Pyramid may relate to the markets. .
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I don't remember anything special about the
relationship between Don
<BR>Hall and Reno. But, I could
<BR>have missed something. There were usually about 30 people attending
our
<BR>meetings. I was in charge of organizing the meeting, so I had lots
to keep
<BR>my mind busy.
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As per what I read in Don Hall's promotional
piece, I doubt that Reno
<BR>ever shared a desk with Gann. My impression was that Reno corresponded
with
<BR>Gann by mail toward the end of Gann's life. In fact, Reno's Gann quest
was
<BR>interrupted when Gann had a heart problem. Somewhere in Reno's collection,
<BR>I remember a letter to that effect.....
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ... Reno was a very good market student, market technician,
and he had
<BR>met several very interesting market gurus in his lifetime. He told
me he once
<BR>met Marachel. This is the guy who supposedly drew
<BR>"Gann lines"&nbsp; before Gann and did them more accurately than Gann.
Legend
<BR>has it that he could forecast the Dow Jones Industrial Average within
1 point
<BR>far in advance. There is an interesting story about Reno meeting Marachel,
<BR>but I will save that for another time. Anyway, I question the wisdom
of
<BR>promoting&nbsp; him into a legendom for the sake of someone's bank
account.
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; After Reno died, I bought his library
from his widow. So, the Reno market
<BR>library is here, at least the best parts. Some of the superfluous stuff
was
<BR>destroyed when the storage place where I was storing it in Pompano
Beach
<BR>burned down. That's a good story too, but I will save it for another
time.....
<BR>&nbsp;
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Larry, I look forward to your reply.
<P>Thanks,
<P>Norman
<P>NW: The End.
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;
<P>>BTW, I think Myles Walker's recent book is a useful addition to the
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Gann-astro ouvre and is on the shelf next to Patrick
Mikula's.
<P>Jeez is this an industry er what??? LOL
<P>Tom Drake
<P>From:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
"Darrin Vernier" &lt;gphx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Re: [RT] RE: Bryce Gilmore's Challenge of Astro Trading
<BR>Date sent:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:58:13 PST
<BR>> David,
<BR>>
<BR>> I agree with everything that you said.
<BR>> And I promptly ordered the book, of course.
<BR>> The same book has been written so many times in so many names, but
a rose is
<BR>> still a rose. : )
<BR>>
<BR>> Thanks for a thoughtful reply.
<BR>>
<BR>>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Darrin
<BR>>
<BR>>
<BR>> >From: "David Hunt" &lt;adest@xxxxxxxxxx>
<BR>> >Reply-To: adest@xxxxxxxxxx
<BR>> >To: &lt;realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<BR>> >CC: &lt;wavetraders@xxxxxxxxxxx>, &lt;aussie_metastock_list@xxxxxxxxxxxx>,
<BR>> >"Get_Traders@xxxxxxxxxxx" &lt;get_traders@xxxxxxxxxxx>
<BR>> >Subject: [RT] RE: Bryce Gilmore's Challenge of Astro Trading
<BR>> >Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:05:35 +1100
<BR>> >
<BR>> >Hi Darrin and Norman,
<BR>> >
<BR>> >Darrin your summation of Bryce Gilmore is correct.&nbsp; His attacks
are not
<BR>> >personal.&nbsp; They are more what he sees as the truth as to what
helps more
<BR>> >people make money. Norman - Bryce's attack was not on you per se.
Its
<BR>> >pretty
<BR>> >easy to take it that way when
<BR>> >
<BR>> >Norman, if someone asks me what a good Astro Course they could do
I say
<BR>> >"WINSKI's". One of Bryce's good mates is Larry Pasavento. They have
spent a
<BR>> >lot of time together over the years.
<BR>> >
<BR>> >I also know you are a good Elliott head I sometimes winder if that
helps
<BR>> >you
<BR>> >more as you know market structure better than most. Bryce's book
has 40 or
<BR>> >so pages devoted to Astro work and then he says take or leave it
and that
<BR>> >he
<BR>> >finds the Geometry is better.
<BR>> >
<BR>> >However the reality is for most people the Astro stuff is too complex
and
<BR>> >fries their brains.&nbsp; We had one "well known - persona identity"
in
<BR>> >Australia
<BR>> >charging more than A$30,000 for a weekend (for one guy it was 2
lots of 3
<BR>> >hours - boy was his wife surprised when he came back a few hours
after
<BR>> >leaving each day!!). Most of the people who paid for this were left
- in
<BR>> >their own words - "angry and confused".&nbsp; We see all this money
poured into
<BR>> >learning Astro by people we know and we don't see any of them do
any better
<BR>> >in the markets usually its better
<BR>> >
<BR>> >I assume you have read THE CROSS of THE MAGI:
<BR>> >
<BR>> >"THE MAGI DISCOVERED THAT THE ARITHMETICAL NUMBERS EXPRESSED BY
THE
<BR>> >CHRONOLOGICAL RELATIONS OF SUN AND MOON TO EARTH WERE IDENTICAL
WITH THOSE
<BR>> >THAT SOLVED THE GEOMETRICAL PROBLEM OF THE SQUARING OF THE CIRCLE"
<BR>> >
<BR>> >That basically tells you that if you have the Geometry right the
Astrology
<BR>> >falls into place. That is Bryce's point.
<BR>> >
<BR>> >David Hunt
<BR>> >http://www.adest.com.au/
<BR>> >US Callers phone: 1 312 577 0491
<BR>> >Australians phone: 02 9527 4690
<BR>> >International: 612 9527 4690
<BR>> >
<BR>> >Darrin Vernier wrote:
<BR>> >
<BR>> > > Norman,
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > >Bryce says, "anyone
<BR>> > > >who uses a clock is a coo-coo. Norman tells time using a clock.
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > What makes you believe that Bryce isn't using a clock?
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > If you believe he isn't using a clock then what he uses isn't,
to you.
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > >From what I have seen of Bryce, he sees two kinds of clocks.
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > He learned to tell time with both, and found that FOR HIM, one
was more
<BR>> > > accurate and applicable to his trading.
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > The reverse might be true for you.
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > You're both holding a different part of the same elephant.
<BR>> > > Looking at different aspects of the same clock.
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > Is it more productive to argue about whether the elephant is
a tree or
<BR>> >an
<BR>> > > angel, or to see the whole elephant?
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > Does the same hold true for clocks?
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > When is a circle not a circle?
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > Is 3:00 90 degrees? So many trading days? A planetary aspect?
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > If planets can aspect, can numbers as well?
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > There is a story about people speaking different languages.
<BR>> > > It is called the 'Tower of Babble'.
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > > When they began speaking different languages they became more
intent on
<BR>> > > destroying one another rather than noticing that what they both
were
<BR>> >saying
<BR>> > > was much the same and that they could each learn from the other.
<BR>> > >
<BR>> > >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Babyloningly,
<BR>> > >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Darrin,
<BR>> >
<BR>> >&nbsp;&nbsp; Darrin,
<BR>> >
<BR>> >&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I agree. You have argued my
point well. Bryce indicted me for using
<BR>> >Astrology, when in fact he apparently is also using Astrology. I
am all for
<BR>> >learning from others. In fact, I tried to contact Bryce several
times,
<BR>> >about
<BR>> >10
<BR>> >years ago, leaving messages on his answering machine. But, he never
<BR>> >returned
<BR>> >my
<BR>> >calls. I&nbsp; have not corresponded or talked to Bryce since I
briefly met him
<BR>> >at a
<BR>> >1989 conference where I was a speaker. Now,&nbsp; out of left field
comes this
<BR>> >hypocritical attack. He has probably never even looked at a sample
of my
<BR>> >work,
<BR>> >let alone corresponded with me. He is in no position to judge me.
He must
<BR>> >have a
<BR>> >list of possible competitors on a wheel, he spins the pointer, and
sees who
<BR>> >will
<BR>> >be his next "victim of the week". I guess it was my turn this week.
<BR>> >Ironically,
<BR>> >it seems while trying to shoot me, he shot himself in the foot.
<BR>> >
<BR>> >
<BR>> >Cheers,
<BR>> >
<BR>> >Norman
<BR>> >
<BR>> >
<BR>>
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Subject: [RT] RE: Bryce Gilmore's Challenge of Astro Trading
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Rakesh,

Having looked at NP you will find the philosophy similar. If I am correct
Nature's Pulse was heavily fibonacci oriented. The WaveTrader/CycleTrader
(www.wavetarder.com works on the Harmonic ratios (ie Square Root Ratios) as
well.

I am surprised that NP would not be Y2Kable.  IS this true?

PS I have sent you a message about an Indian user of the software.
David Hunt
http://www.adest.com.au/
US Callers phone: 1 312 577 0491
Australians phone: 02 9527 4690
International: 612 9527 4690

-----Original Message-----
From: Rakesh Sahgal [mailto:rsahgal@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Sunday, 16 January 2000 11:07
To: Real Traders; Darrin Vernier
Subject: Re: [RT] Bryce Gilmore's Challenge of Astro Trading

Hi Folks,

First of all my apologies if this message does not conform to RT etiquette
re. message format etc etc.

Now to the point of this message. I was using Ed Kasanjian's Nature's Pulse
and after y2k am missing it sorely(since it wont work now), it sure was a
great product. In this context I happened to come across Bryce Gilmore's
site and have been wondering if someone could kindly educate me re. the
quality of his software product and it's accuracy for someone looking at
Dynamic Cycles.

Thanks in advance

Rakesh Sahgal

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrin Vernier" <gphx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <gphx@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
<realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] Bryce Gilmore's Challenge of Astro Trading


> Norman,
>
> >Bryce says, "anyone
> >who uses a clock is a coo-coo. Norman tells time using a clock.
>
> What makes you believe that Bryce isn't using a clock?
>
> If you believe he isn't using a clock then what he uses isn't, to you.
>
> >From what I have seen of Bryce, he sees two kinds of clocks.
>
> He learned to tell time with both, and found that FOR HIM, one was more
> accurate and applicable to his trading.
>
> The reverse might be true for you.
>
> You're both holding a different part of the same elephant.
> Looking at different aspects of the same clock.
>
> Is it more productive to argue about whether the elephant is a tree or an
> angel, or to see the whole elephant?
>
> Does the same hold true for clocks?
>
> When is a circle not a circle?
>
> Is 3:00 90 degrees? So many trading days? A planetary aspect?
>
> If planets can aspect, can numbers as well?
>
> There is a story about people speaking different languages.
> It is called the 'Tower of Babble'.
>
> When they began speaking different languages they became more intent on
> destroying one another rather than noticing that what they both were
saying
> was much the same and that they could each learn from the other.
>
>                                              Babyloningly,
>                                              Darrin
>
>
>
>
> >To: Darrin Vernier <gphx@xxxxxxxxxxx>,        realtraders
> ><realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: Re: [RT] Bryce Gilmore's Challenge of Astro Trading
> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:15:54 -0800
> >
> >
> >
> >Darrin Vernier wrote:
> >
> > > Norman has an analog clock with hands that say 3:00.
> > > Bryce has a digital clock that says 3:00.
> > >
> > > Can you choose which one is right, or is there a different way of
> >looking at
> > > this?
> > >
> > >                                            With Utmost Respect,
> > >                                            Darrin
> > >
> > > P.S. Unleash the hounds...
> >
> >Darrin,
> >
> >    Sorry, I don't understand how your metaphor or analagy relates to the
> >current
> >attack by Bryce on me?  A more apropriate analogy would be:  Bryce says,
> >"anyone
> >who uses a clock is a coo-coo. Norman tells time using a clock.
Therefore,
> >Norman is a coo coo. By the way, my clock says it is time to for everyone
> >to
> >check out my website where I have the latest line of clocks."
> >
> >CooCooingly,
> >
> >Norman
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: nwinski <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Reply-To: nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>        bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: [RT] Bryce Gilmore's Challenge of Astro Trading
> > > >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:46:17 -0800
> > > >
> > > >  Ref:
> > > >
> > > >  > http://www.eGroups.com/group/get_traders/146.html?
> > > >  >
> > > >
> > > >  ----- Original Message -----
> > > >  From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >  To: RealTraders realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >  Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 6:30 PM
> > > >  Subject: Fw: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> > > >
> > > >  > BG: I am not a member of realtraders but it will be interesting
to
> >see
> > > >if they
> > > >  > publish this.
> > > >  > Bryce.
> > > >  >
> > > >  NW: Unfortunately for you Bryce, you got your wish. I shall now
prove
> > > >  that you don't know what you are talking about which will surely
> > > >  reduce or erase your credibility as a supposed Gann expert. Please
> > > >  see the rest of my reply after Bryce's post.
> > > >
> > > >  > Bryce Gilmore wrote:
> > > >
> > > >            To Real Traders,
> > > >  >
> > > >  > I hope this is not taken the wrong way by your members - and I
> > > >  trust you
> > > >  > will publish it to them for the sake of education.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > I am not against people who use astrology in the markets - but I
> > > >  don't
> > > >  know
> > > >  > any who do who make any serious money from that angle.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > I got this copy of Norman's email relayed to me so I am not sure
> > > >  which bus
> > > >  > he is stepping off. But I do know that Gann was not an astrology
> > > >  freak
> > > >  only
> > > >  > an observer of planetary phenomena in relation to natural cycles.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Norman Winski or Norman if you allow me to be personal has a way
of
> > > >  exciting
> > > >  > people into the mysterious, if Norman knows what Gann was about
he
> > > >  would
> > > >  be
> > > >  > a little less careless with his statements.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Gann was about using the dynamic action of the market to find
> > > >  resistance
> > > >  and
> > > >  > support, his planetary studies are related to seasonal time
periods
> > > >  between
> > > >  > expected change in trend. When one goes into astrology the
options
> > > >  become
> > > >  > limitless.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > So, my message is this, Anyone who believes Gann is based on
> > > >  astrology
> > > >  > should stand back and take another look. Teachers such as Norman
W
> > > >  who
> > > >  claim
> > > >  > Gann was all about astrology are using you and you will never be
> > > >  able to
> > > >  > check whether their claims have any validity, cause the
astrology
> > > >  aspect
> > > >  > only repeats about every 25,000 years.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Hope this is of use to your group.
> > > >  > regards,
> > > >  > Bryce Gilmore.
> > > >
> > > >  NW:     I will now refer you and the list to a book that is
commonly
> > > >  available. Please retrieve a copy of Perry Kaufman's Trading
Systems
> > > >  & Methods, Copyright 1978, published by John Wiley & Sons, ISBN
> > > >  0-471-03569-6. Please turn to page 202 where Kaufman shows a copy
of
> > > >  Gann's famous 1948 Soybean chart. Bryce, you see just to the right
of
> > > >  the left hand price axis, between 260 and 264? What is that curvey
> > > >  funny looking "4" ? Could it be the glyph for Jupiter? Oh, you
don't
> > > >  think so? Ok, there is another funny 4 just a little bit higher and
> > > >  about two inches to the right. This one has that funny 4 followed
by
> > > >  a "30" and an arrow pointing up and to the right. Bruce, if you
knew
> > > >  any Astrology, you would know that means that the funny looking 4
is
> > > >  the glyph for Jupiter, the 30 means 30 degrees, an the arrow is the
> > > >  glyph for the zodiacal sign Sagittarius. Still don't believe it?
Just
> > > >  check an ephemeris (table of planetary
> > > >  tables - translated for pseudo Gann experts like Bryce) and you
will
> > > >  see that Jupiter was actually at that position at the time the
chart
> > > >  was drawn.  To make a long analysis short, this type of stuff is
all
> > > >  over that chart. Jupiter, Mars, signs, etc. So, if Gann didn't use
> > > >  Astrology, why did he bother to have hand drawn all those intricate
> > > >  Astrological symbols on his Soybean chart? Oh, by the way, he shows
> > > >  Mars
> > > >  forming a conjunction with Jupiter right at the top of the Soybean
> > > >  market. Gann's former partner, JC, with whom I spoke with, said
Gann
> > > >  went short there based on Astrology. JC also said that Gann was
> > > >  "primarily Astrological". I later had JC confirmed as the real deal
> > > >  by Billy Jones and Phyllis Kahn, both who were respected Gann
experts
> > > >  long before anyone had ever heard of a "Bryce". You can also read
my
> > > >  essay, "What You Need To Know About W.D. Gann"  on this subject
which
> > > >  was published with a copy of Gann's Soybean chart with Astrological
> > > >  indications all over it. As you can see from Kaufman's book, I
didn't
> > > >  plant those Astrological symbols on the chart. My essay was
published
> > > >  in Traders's World Magazine circa 1988 and is now offered as part
of
> > > >  their archive collection. You can check their website,
> > > >  <http://www.tradersworld.com> find the archive index, and you will
> > > >  see my name in issue #3 for "W.D. Gann and Astrology by Norman
> > > >  Winski"..
> > > >      So Bryce, I don't expect you to be transformed overnight. But,
> > > >  perhaps if you do your homework, sometime in the near future, you
> > > >  will realize the errors of your ways and decide to study Astrology.
I
> > > >
> > > >  may even consider accepting you as my student. Then, you may be
able
> > > >  to honestly call yourself a Gann expert. Let me know how it goes.
> > > >       Oh, if you thought the Soybean chart was just a one time
fluke,
> > > >  I have alot more of Gann's stuff with Astrological references. I
> > > >  think you must have missed of few of my posting here. Try not to
miss
> > > >  class in the future. <G>
> > > >
> > > >  Cosmically,
> > > >
> > > >  Norman Winski
> > > >
> > > >  P.S. Bryce, membership in Realtraders is free, if you are a real
> > > >  trader. <G> Oh  my gosh! I just checked out Bryce's wavetrader
> > > >  website, http://www.wavetrader.com ( nice plug, huh Bryce?) and
found
> > > >  the following.
> > > >
> > > >  "Planetary Research Module: Programmed into the Software.
> > > >
> > > >        Bryce's new book gives you the methodology and the software
> > > >  gives you the
> > > >        ways and means to research the effect of planetary phenomenon
> > > >  on
> > > >        markets!"
> > > >
> > > >    So Bryce, why are you using Astrology in your trading products
and
> > > >  then criticizing me for using it? Seems a bit hypocritical to me.
> > > >  Case closed!  Bryce, nice joke, guess you were just pullin my chain
> > > >  huh?
> > > >
> > > >  ----- Original Message -----
> > > >  From: Bryce Gilmore & Associates bryce-@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >  To: RealTraders realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >  Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 6:30 PM
> > > >  Subject: Fw: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> > > >
> > > >  > To Real Traders,
> > > >  >
> > > >  > I hope this is not taken the wrong way by your members - and I
> > > >  trust you
> > > >  > will publish it to them for the sake of education.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > I am not against people who use astrology in the markets - but I
> > > >  don't
> > > >  know
> > > >  > any who do who make any serious money from that angle.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > I got this copy of Norman's email relayed to me so I am not sure
> > > >  which bus
> > > >  > he is stepping off. But I do know that Gann was not an astrology
> > > >  freak
> > > >  only
> > > >  > an observer of planetary phenomena in relation to natural cycles.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Norman Winski or Norman if you allow me to be personal has a way
of
> > > >  exciting
> > > >  > people into the mysterious, if Norman knows what Gann was about
he
> > > >  would
> > > >  be
> > > >  > a little less careless with his statements.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Gann was about using the dynamic action of the market to find
> > > >  resistance
> > > >  and
> > > >  > support, his planetary studies are related to seasonal time
periods
> > > >  between
> > > >  > expected change in trend. When one goes into astrology the
options
> > > >  become
> > > >  > limitless.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > So, my message is this, Anyone who believes Gann is based on
> > > >  astrology
> > > >  > should stand back and take another look. Teachers such as Norman
W
> > > >  who
> > > >  claim
> > > >  > Gann was all about astrology are using you and you will never be
> > > >  able to
> > > >  > check whether their claims have any validity, cause the
astrology
> > > >  aspect
> > > >  > only repeats about every 25,000 years.
> > > >  >
> > > >  > Hope this is of use to your group.
> > > >  > regards,
> > > >  > Bryce Gilmore.
> > > >  >
> > > >  >
> > > >  > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >  > > From: "nwinski" nwinsk-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >  > > To: vaugh00-@xxxxxxx
> > > >  > > Cc: realtrader-@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >  > > Sent: Monday, January 10, 2000 6:59 PM
> > > >  > > Subject: Re: [RT] Re: Gann the method
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > >
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > > vaugh00-@xxxxxxx wrote:
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > > > Of the several texts that address Gann's methods , which
does
> > > >  the
> > > >  best
> > > >  > > job
> > > >  > > > > teaching  the subject .  What are the groups thoughts ?
> > > >  thanks  tom
> > > >  > > vaughan
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > >   Tom,
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > >      Here is my Gann test. If the teacher doesn't know
> > > >  Astrology, they
> > > >  > > don't
> > > >  > > > know Gann. That should
> > > >  > > > eliminate a good portion of the Gann teachers and authors.
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > >      Here is my Gann tip. Don't bother trying to learn Gann
> > > >  until you
> > > >  > have
> > > >  > > a
> > > >  > > > very good foundation in the basic principles of Astrology.
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > >     You are welcome to contact me by private e-mail if you
have
> > > >  > questions,
> > > >  > > want
> > > >  > > > more information, or want to share some very funny jokes.
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > > Co(s)mically,
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > > Norman
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > > P.S. You will need a good sense of humor if you want to study
> > > >  Gann's
> > > >  > > writings.
> > > >  > > > He loves to play with
> > > >  > > > your brain. <G>
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > > >
> > > >  > >
> > > >  >
> > > >
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