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<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Sorry, Steve, could not resist.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Which of the following is true:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Gann has got someting to do with the stock-exchanges, Elliott 
has got something </FONT><FONT size=2>to do with </FONT><FONT size=2>the 
stock-bourses,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>the&nbsp;fib-fantasy-theory has got something to do with 
</FONT><FONT size=2>the stock-market ?????</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Being related means (bloodlined/hooked/connected), doesn't 
that make your indicators </FONT><FONT size=2>very ancient</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>(800 years ago), eg&nbsp;at a time </FONT><FONT size=2>that 
they might have&nbsp;worked and provided for the miracles </FONT><FONT size=2>on 
the exchanges</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>back then&nbsp;?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Shit, they hadn't even started back than, eg the first 
historical evidence of </FONT><FONT size=2>people trading and 
betting</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>(taking options) </FONT><FONT size=2>on&nbsp;shipped 
</FONT><FONT size=2>cargo loads + their </FONT><FONT size=2>arrival times 
</FONT><FONT size=2>(eg the&nbsp;birth of the first </FONT><FONT size=2>public 
outdoor held</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>exchange markets) appeared 'only' </FONT><FONT size=2>in the 
</FONT><FONT size=2>very recent </FONT><FONT size=2>history, eg in the late 
Golden Century</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>(still some 300 years ago), and some well </FONT><FONT 
size=2>over </FONT><FONT size=2>500 years later than when Fab saw his holy Maria 
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Oh well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Since modern times&nbsp;has revealed itself in that the 
historical </FONT><FONT size=2>witch-hunts and other ku-klux-clan </FONT><FONT 
size=2>alike stuff</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>was&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>due to&nbsp;mankind itself by 
some men starting out&nbsp;hoaxes, eg by word of mouth, eg </FONT><FONT 
size=2>one man</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;-out of anger swearing-  </FONT><FONT size=2>would give 
</FONT><FONT size=2>another person(woman) </FONT><FONT size=2>a nick-name, and 
than suddenly </FONT><FONT size=2>all men believed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>the hoax&nbsp;and than made out that </FONT><FONT size=2>that 
</FONT><FONT size=2>person(woman)&nbsp;was also what&nbsp;that </FONT><FONT 
size=2>name comprised </FONT><FONT size=2>and that</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>therefore </FONT><FONT size=2>that person(woman) was also to 
</FONT><FONT size=2>be put on the burning staple?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Eg, ain't it time you outgrow this childish 
parroting&nbsp;stuff, that was thought to you by your master 
parrots</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>at the CMT-course?</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2>As of Jan 1st, 2000 my wage's paycheck got a 3% rise, does 
that make&nbsp;(the rise/my employer/</FONT><FONT size=2>me) also</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>ancient + fib related, eg is (he, my employer/it, the rise/me) 
therefore also a now a modern day version </FONT><FONT size=2>of</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>the fib(ulous) natural miracle story ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT 
size=2>--------------------------------------------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Back to the markets:</DIV>
<DIV></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>What near future forcast can I get from these ave's?&nbsp;How 
should I interpret them on your picture?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>That is what was not&nbsp;so very clear.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If any, I can see that there is a great bending arch-movement 
</FONT><FONT size=2>bowing </FONT><FONT size=2>downwards by Mr SPX , 
and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>done so within the horizontal trading ranges and is further 
moving (sideways/down) in smaller up+down waves.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2>A</FONT><FONT size=2>nd since these ave's are not put on a 
'simple&nbsp;+ plain bar' chart also&nbsp;(bloom/hide) the fact 
that</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>the </FONT><FONT size=2>7/8 fractal ma </FONT><FONT 
size=2>solidly </FONT><FONT size=2>resides </FONT><FONT size=2>on a </FONT><FONT 
size=2>much</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT size=2>lower level, eg&nbsp;on a level than cannot 
be seen on </FONT><FONT size=2>your</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>'exponental + volume candled' </FONT><FONT size=2>chart. 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Let alone&nbsp;shows where the also present and solid 3/2 
fractal ma support (eg the SMA150) resides.</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Here are&nbsp;the moves:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; near 
Nov end -&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>hitted </FONT><FONT size=2>the 1/8 fractal ma 
(12.5)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
on Nov end - hitted the 1/4 fractal ma (25)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
mid Dec -&nbsp;hitted the 1/3 fractal ma (33.3)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
early Jan&nbsp;-&nbsp;hitted the 2/3 fractal ma (66.7)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
now&nbsp;solidly - due to hit the 7/8 fractal ma (87.5)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
near future - eventualy out&nbsp;to hit the solid 3/2 fractal ma 
(150)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>This is the stuff you will not get thought and will not ever 
learn by&nbsp;continue fib-parrot-ing, eg this is</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>home-brewed </FONT><FONT size=2>self-a-steam-ed </FONT><FONT 
size=2>financial cooking working for you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>This is, like your ma's, also not ever usefull stuff to ever 
build&nbsp;a (solid) mechanical trade-system on.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Only eye-balling can help the reader determine,&nbsp;this also 
mostly afterwards, what&nbsp;the correct level</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>was/has been </FONT><FONT size=2>to (do/get out of) a 
trade.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Above are</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT size=2>projections(targets) only, 
(and/but) only history will tell if they shall all come true.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>For that I kinda like your "Momentum play" signals better. My 
mechinical momentum IMT/ST system</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>for that matter </FONT><FONT size=2>generated only for today 
(0112) many sell signals, of which was one.........Mr SPX.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>And the buy signal&nbsp;got only generated last 
Oct99..............................</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Knowing too, you to be a serious trader, and that my 
scepticism towards that mediocre&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>so called</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>'natural wonders" based </FONT><FONT size=2>fib-theory is also 
known to you, know that you will not (be/get) offended by my</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>at the </FONT><FONT size=2>top made 
(silly/humorous/evidential) remarks.</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Regards,<BR>Ton Maas<BR><A 
href="mailto:ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>Dismiss the 
".nospam" bit (including the dot) when replying and<BR>note the new address 
change. Also for my Homepage<BR><A 
href="http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas";>http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Steve 
  Karnish</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
  title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>RTList</A> ; <A 
  href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
  title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> dinsdag 11 januari 2000 2:38</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Fib MA's and the S&amp;P</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>List,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sometimes weeks fly by and I don't always get 
  around to looking at all my 297 indicators, templates and layouts.&nbsp; As a 
  mechanical, contrarian, oscillator trader, I'd prefer not to be influenced by 
  the subjectivity of interpretive approaches (Gann, Elliot, etc.).&nbsp; 
  Thinking hurts my head.&nbsp; I'm all "thunk" out.&nbsp; I spent thousands of 
  hours refining my love:&nbsp; momentum oscillators (and it took it's toll on 
  my brain).&nbsp; Having said that...I do enjoy the "dance of the fib 
  averages".&nbsp;&nbsp;They offer great support and resistance areas...(or is 
  this just another hairy coincidence?).</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steve Karnish<BR>Cedar Creek Trading<BR><A 
  href="http://www.cedarcreektrading.com";>http://www.cedarcreektrading.com</A></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Sorry, Steve, could not resist.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Which of the following is true:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Gann has got someting to do with the stock-exchanges, Elliott 
has got something </FONT><FONT size=2>to do with </FONT><FONT size=2>the 
stock-bourses,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>the&nbsp;fib-fantasy-theory has got something to do with 
</FONT><FONT size=2>the stock-market ?????</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Being related means (bloodlined/hooked/connected), doesn't 
that make your indicators </FONT><FONT size=2>very ancient</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>(800 years ago), eg&nbsp;at a time </FONT><FONT size=2>that 
they might have&nbsp;worked and provided for the miracles </FONT><FONT size=2>on 
the exchanges</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>back then&nbsp;?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Shit, they hadn't even started back than, eg the first 
historical evidence of </FONT><FONT size=2>people trading and 
betting</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>(taking options) </FONT><FONT size=2>on&nbsp;shipped 
</FONT><FONT size=2>cargo loads + their </FONT><FONT size=2>arrival times 
</FONT><FONT size=2>(eg the&nbsp;birth of the first </FONT><FONT size=2>public 
outdoor held</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>exchange markets) appeared 'only' </FONT><FONT size=2>in the 
</FONT><FONT size=2>very recent </FONT><FONT size=2>history, eg in the late 
Golden Century</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>(still some 300 years ago), and some well </FONT><FONT 
size=2>over </FONT><FONT size=2>500 years later than when Fab saw his holy Maria 
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Oh well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Since modern times&nbsp;has revealed itself in that the 
historical </FONT><FONT size=2>witch-hunts and other ku-klux-clan </FONT><FONT 
size=2>alike stuff</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>was&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>due to&nbsp;mankind itself by 
some men starting out&nbsp;hoaxes, eg by word of mouth, eg </FONT><FONT 
size=2>one man</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;-out of anger swearing-  </FONT><FONT size=2>would give 
</FONT><FONT size=2>another person(woman) </FONT><FONT size=2>a nick-name, and 
than suddenly </FONT><FONT size=2>all men believed</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>the hoax&nbsp;and than made out that </FONT><FONT size=2>that 
</FONT><FONT size=2>person(woman)&nbsp;was also what&nbsp;that </FONT><FONT 
size=2>name comprised </FONT><FONT size=2>and that</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>therefore </FONT><FONT size=2>that person(woman) was also to 
</FONT><FONT size=2>be put on the burning staple?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Eg, ain't it time you outgrow this childish 
parroting&nbsp;stuff, that was thought to you by your master 
parrots</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>at the CMT-course?</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2>As of Jan 1st, 2000 my wage's paycheck got a 3% rise, does 
that make&nbsp;(the rise/my employer/</FONT><FONT size=2>me) also</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>ancient + fib related, eg is (he, my employer/it, the rise/me) 
therefore also a now a modern day version </FONT><FONT size=2>of</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>the fib(ulous) natural miracle story ?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT 
size=2>--------------------------------------------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Back to the markets:</DIV>
<DIV></FONT><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>What near future forcast can I get from these ave's?&nbsp;How 
should I interpret them on your picture?</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>That is what was not&nbsp;so very clear.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>If any, I can see that there is a great bending arch-movement 
</FONT><FONT size=2>bowing </FONT><FONT size=2>downwards by Mr SPX , 
and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>done so within the horizontal trading ranges and is further 
moving (sideways/down) in smaller up+down waves.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2>A</FONT><FONT size=2>nd since these ave's are not put on a 
'simple&nbsp;+ plain bar' chart also&nbsp;(bloom/hide) the fact 
that</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>the </FONT><FONT size=2>7/8 fractal ma </FONT><FONT 
size=2>solidly </FONT><FONT size=2>resides </FONT><FONT size=2>on a </FONT><FONT 
size=2>much</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT size=2>lower level, eg&nbsp;on a level than cannot 
be seen on </FONT><FONT size=2>your</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>'exponental + volume candled' </FONT><FONT size=2>chart. 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Let alone&nbsp;shows where the also present and solid 3/2 
fractal ma support (eg the SMA150) resides.</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Here are&nbsp;the moves:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; near 
Nov end -&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>hitted </FONT><FONT size=2>the 1/8 fractal ma 
(12.5)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
on Nov end - hitted the 1/4 fractal ma (25)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
mid Dec -&nbsp;hitted the 1/3 fractal ma (33.3)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
early Jan&nbsp;-&nbsp;hitted the 2/3 fractal ma (66.7)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
now&nbsp;solidly - due to hit the 7/8 fractal ma (87.5)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT 
size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
near future - eventualy out&nbsp;to hit the solid 3/2 fractal ma 
(150)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>This is the stuff you will not get thought and will not ever 
learn by&nbsp;continue fib-parrot-ing, eg this is</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>home-brewed </FONT><FONT size=2>self-a-steam-ed </FONT><FONT 
size=2>financial cooking working for you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>This is, like your ma's, also not ever usefull stuff to ever 
build&nbsp;a (solid) mechanical trade-system on.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Only eye-balling can help the reader determine,&nbsp;this also 
mostly afterwards, what&nbsp;the correct level</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>was/has been </FONT><FONT size=2>to (do/get out of) a 
trade.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Above are</FONT>&nbsp;<FONT size=2>projections(targets) only, 
(and/but) only history will tell if they shall all come true.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>For that I kinda like your "Momentum play" signals better. My 
mechinical momentum IMT/ST system</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>for that matter </FONT><FONT size=2>generated only for today 
(0112) many sell signals, of which was one.........Mr SPX.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>And the buy signal&nbsp;got only generated last 
Oct99..............................</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Knowing too, you to be a serious trader, and that my 
scepticism towards that mediocre&nbsp;</FONT><FONT size=2>so called</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>'natural wonders" based </FONT><FONT size=2>fib-theory is also 
known to you, know that you will not (be/get) offended by my</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>at the </FONT><FONT size=2>top made 
(silly/humorous/evidential) remarks.</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Regards,<BR>Ton Maas<BR><A 
href="mailto:ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ms-irb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>Dismiss the 
".nospam" bit (including the dot) when replying and<BR>note the new address 
change. Also for my Homepage<BR><A 
href="http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas";>http://home.planet.nl/~anthmaas</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx"; title=kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Steve 
  Karnish</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
  title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>RTList</A> ; <A 
  href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
  title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> dinsdag 11 januari 2000 2:38</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Fib MA's and the S&amp;P</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>List,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sometimes weeks fly by and I don't always get 
  around to looking at all my 297 indicators, templates and layouts.&nbsp; As a 
  mechanical, contrarian, oscillator trader, I'd prefer not to be influenced by 
  the subjectivity of interpretive approaches (Gann, Elliot, etc.).&nbsp; 
  Thinking hurts my head.&nbsp; I'm all "thunk" out.&nbsp; I spent thousands of 
  hours refining my love:&nbsp; momentum oscillators (and it took it's toll on 
  my brain).&nbsp; Having said that...I do enjoy the "dance of the fib 
  averages".&nbsp;&nbsp;They offer great support and resistance areas...(or is 
  this just another hairy coincidence?).</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steve Karnish<BR>Cedar Creek Trading<BR><A 
  href="http://www.cedarcreektrading.com";>http://www.cedarcreektrading.com</A></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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From: "Dr. John Cappello" <jvc689@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: [RT] S&R for 1/13/2000/Panic Comments/Far Out Options
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 20:05:40 EST
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Status:   

Commentary for 1/12/2000:

S&P-It opened within Level 1 and would have bought at 1446.5 but stopped at 
1440.6.Things usually get better.

Nasdaq-It opened within Level 1 and would have bought at 3515 stayed in 
trade to close at 3503.

S&P

Level 3 R 1459.5..........S 1424.5

Level 2 R 1451.6..........S 1432.4

Level 1 R 1446.8..........S 1437.2 Ideal opening range 1437.2 to 1451.6.No 
standard trade if opening is not within Level 1.

Nasdaq

Level 3 R 3639............S 3363

Level 2 R 3577............S 3429

Level 1 R 3540............S 3466 Ideal opening range 3466 to 3577 and ditto 
re. Level 1

Panic Comments-There is no reason for me to believe there will be any 
greater panic than 1987.I think there will be enough smart money to hang on 
that as in that period a recovery will occur.It was the undercapitalized or 
over leveraged who went under.And that will happen again.

Graham and Dodd still live on in fundamental analysis and there are still 
buys out there if you look.The "new math" based upon price X revenue and 
revenue growth has some credence to me if evaluated on cash flow and market 
share and ultimate profitability.In the final analysis he who has the best 
cash flow still wins.

Far Out Option Trade Made Today

Based upon fundamentals April Live Cattle sold a 66 put at 22.Now I will 
probably hear that Ben bought that one too.Well when your hot your hot.Just 
kidding.

Sincerely,

John

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