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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face="" size=2>I have just received another large four
page spread ad for the Market Optimizer software. A searched of Deja.com
discussion lists turned up no entries. Does anyone have any solid
information about what category the system is in, for example pattern matching,
Elliott wave, neural nets or so on. Do you have a used copy of the manual
you would sell? What is your opinion of accuracy claims? Any
information from impartial traders is welcome.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face="" size=2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face="" size=2>Patrick.</FONT></DIV>
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Subject: Re: DJIA update
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Comments of this type seem to be occurring with some
regularity each time the market shows any signs of holding flat or rallying.
Perhaps AG and company are beginning to exhibit some backbone after all. But
then, there is scant evidence that the backbone will extend to taking the
political heat from a decline which brings the market into line with historical
valuations. I figure a Fed managed decline of only 20% would bring out the
politicians in droves with knives sharpened amid calls for "managing the
Fed".</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Earl</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A href="mailto:jwhite43@xxxxxxx";
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 14, 1999 7:56
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: DJIA update</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Jim, et al - Note that Greenspan tagged the markets tonight.
EMinis fell as much as 24 points! Now down 12. We are set up for a lower open
and should take out yesterday's lows giving us five waves down intraday from
1339. Could get outside reversal higher after that. Unfortunately, I see this
as wave-1 of wave-5 targeting S&P 500 cash in the 1200/1150 range. We also
have to get thru PPI at 8:30.</FONT></DIV>
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Subject: Re: FOMC meeting?
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 04:06:05 -0600
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The material Bruce attached was interesting and carried some eerie echoes
including the Fed's easing of rates in 1927 to help the Europeans. However,
I didn't find much in the way of specific info regarding call rates except
for two passages:
a) "The practice of buying a large number of shares of stock with a very
small amount of one's own money (as little as 3% during the 1920's) and
borrowing the rest from the broker."
b) "On Tuesday, March 26, 1929, the trend intensified and the rate on call
money went to 20 percent."
The first is pretty generic as it applies to an entire decade while the
later is more specific as it applies to the period some months before the
big one let loose. There is no indication regarding the length of the period
to which the 20% applies but I see nothing which refutes Norman's statement.
While I have extensive historical data, one item I do not have is call rates
back to the 20's ... if anyone has monthly call rates for 1929 we could put
this part of the discussion to be and move on to new material.
Earl
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Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 10:05 PM
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> Sorry Norman. After a grand total of 5 minutes of searching on the
> internet, I found enough info to invalidate your opinion. Attached is a
> text file containing passages from two different sites on the web
discussing
> the 1929 crash. The first passage makes it clear margin rates for
investors
> in the twenties got as low as 3%. The second passage makes clear that the
> broker call rate (referred to as the "Call Market") did not go to 20%
until
> AFTER the crash was underway.
>
> Now, if margin rates got as low as 3% during the twenties, and didn't
reach
> 20% until after the crash, is it really so hard to believe that the market
> spiraled upwards at an average margin rate of 10% before crashing?
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