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Amen!
<p>Ira wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>I have followed this thread on astro for a while
and said nothing. At this point I feel that a reply is called for.
Norman has contributed to this forum on many occasions. Some times
he was right and other times he was right, but a little off on the timing.
I don't recall him being really wrong.
<br>Here is someone, who once again, says give me something for nothing.
Everything about astro is out there. Norman found something that works
for him and thought that someone else might benefit by it and put his thoughts
out there. If you are that anxious to prove or disprove the theory,
go out there, do YOUR<b><font size=+2> </font></b>homework and come back
and disprove what he has to say. If you want to learn about it, contact
Norman or someone else that teaches it. I don't use astro
because it doesn't suit my trading style. I spent a year developing
a system that works for me and I won't give that away either. If you want
a short cut pay for it. If you want to do it on your own, you will
pay an awful lot more and maybe never succeed. If you are just out
there to badger people I am sure that Mr. Duffey will enlist you on his
team.
<p>Nuff said. Ira.
<p>Jim White wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>This reveals the real objective of this individual
- not to further the
<br>knowledge of the trader but to sell you something.
<br>And there is no double standard. Each and every technique should stand
up to
<br>the same level of scrutiny. I would like to see just one astro guy
respond
<br>to questions on his technique with an objective experiment that could
be
<br>tested by anyone. I don't think we will see such an offer.
<br>Jim
<br>----- Original Message -----
<br>From: nwinski <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<br>To: Real Traders 99 <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<br>Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 11:46 PM
<br>Subject: Astro Technical Analysis - Double Standard?
<p>> RTs,
<br>>
<br>> . One observation that I have made is that it seem that the
skeptics
<br>> set a higher standard for Astrology than they do for any other form
of
<br>> market analysis. When someone mentions that they got a buy signal
based
<br>> on some oscillator or moving average, you don't see the entire RT
list
<br>> jump all over them asking for extensive statistics and causation
proving
<br>> that it works. If they do mention that it works 70% of the time,
people
<br>> are crawling thru their computer monitors to try to get the formulae
for
<br>> the new found holly grail. Now, I am apparently expected to give
<br>> definitive scientific proof and causation for Astrology and the markets.
<br>>
<br>> This is a double standard applied by the skeptics. It is does not
set a
<br>> fair or level playing field.
<br>> My purpose in posting Astro correlations
is only to whet peoples
<br>> appetites for this area of study. I am not here to do their
research or
<br>> homework. If they can see a nugget of value in researching something
I
<br>> post, then I have done the list a valuable service. If someone decides
<br>> that they would like to seriously pursue this avenue of study, I
stand
<br>> ready to help.
<br>>
<br>> Appetizingly,
<br>>
<br>> Norman
<br>></blockquote>
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Reply-To: "Linda Swope" <linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Linda Swope" <lswope@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Gordon Rose" <gordster@xxxxxxx>, <mcsquare@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
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Cc: "Realtraders" <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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<DIV>Wish I were one of those women! I am happy to say I've gotten over
that need for action. But even with my own psychology degree, I can't get
rid of that emotional self-sabotaging that threatens to wreck a good
system.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have a methodology I'm really happy with, on paper anyway. But when
I trade it I chicken out and grab an 1/8th or a 1/4th. The trade can
easily run for a point before the signal closes, but I'm out holding my crummy
1/8th and watching it keep on ticking.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I believe there is good fear and bad fear. The good fear makes me
honor my stops and bail when I should. But the bad fear makes me panic and
grab the first sign of a profit. I don't believe the old adage that you
can't go broke taking profits. You can if they are too small.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Linda<BR>Swope's Mountain Photography<BR><A
href="http://www.swopephoto.com";>http://www.swopephoto.com</A><BR><A
href="mailto:linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>linda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>Climb the
mountains & get their glad tidings: Peace will flow into you as sunshine
into flower; the winds will blow their freshness into you & storms their
energy, & cares will drop off you like autumn leaves. John Muir 1838 -
1914</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
Gordon Rose
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:mcsquare@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=mcsquare@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>mcsquare@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> ; <A
href="mailto:thombek@xxxxxxx"; title=thombek@xxxxxxx>THOMAS BECK</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx>Realtraders</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:56
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: GEN:Trading Team</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>That seems so common. The guy can put
together a system but will second guess it (emotionalism). The woman is
able to remain much more calm. Perhaps that's because guys invest so
much in how much money they make or lose, while to women (in general) it's not
AS serious an issue personally (not looking to start a side discussion --
notice I said generally and AS serious). Bloomberg magazine even did a
study or at least reported on one in which women were shown to be better
investors becuase they were less impulsive. Craving action is another
frequently -- but not always -- male downfall when it comes to
trading.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Gordon</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>William DuBroff <<A
href="mailto:mcsquare@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mcsquare@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>THOMAS BECK <<A
href="mailto:thombek@xxxxxxx";>thombek@xxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Cc:
</B>Realtraders <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, July 07, 1999 8:02 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: GEN:Trading
Team<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>Yes, I put together a team of myself and my wife
after I figured out that I had acceptable analytical skills, but lacked the
psychological make up for following signals to the letter. My wife,
however, had no problem acting without thinking. Putting the two
together worked out fine. Now I tell her what to do and she does
it. POWER ;-)
<P>THOMAS BECK wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE">
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<FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Hello Rt's</FONT></FONT> <FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=-1>A STORY...</FONT></FONT> <FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=-1> Forth of July barbeque , I'm
sitting on the deck engaged in casual conversation. The subject of Trading
comes up. As the conversation develops and goes through methods and
techniques of tradeing, I'm asked if and when I find my Holy Grail method
will I teach it to my sons. Of course...but not yet was my almost
reflexive reply. My oldest son is 8 years old and the thought of handing
over my account to an 8 year old was of course funny...the comment was of
course meant to be funny. However the thought stuck with me for a few
days.</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=-1> A month earlier my account had dropped
suddenly, the victim of news on a particular stock I held. A $10,000 loss
in a matter of minutes...arrrgh!!! That ticklish tummy feeling you get in
a quickly desending elevator times a quadrillion. My mind raced about what
the loss meant and I regreted not haveing sold on open. $10,000 is two jet
skis, a small ski boat, Five big screen TV's, twice the value of my
current car, XX days work, XX months of mortgage etc......I'm sure some of
you are familiar with this experience. Luckily the stock recovered later
in the week but the feeling remained. I hadn't seen just numbers, I saw
what those numbers meant to me. Anyone who's drawn a salary or an hourly
wage couldn't help but to do the same, have the same
reaction.</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>THE TWO
THOUGHTS COME TOGETHER</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=-1> As I sat a watched my son play "Star Fox"
(a video game), I wondered if he could play my game "Stock Market" (also a
video game) and do as well. His quick reflexes and tolerance for mundane
repetion, pattern recognition and attention to detail learned from playing
video games would be an advantage. At 8 his IQ is already greater than
mine (proud parent bragging). His inexperience though, I thought, would
actually be his greatest advantage. He could "pull the trigger" and follow
a preset tradeing methodology without second guessing, hesitation, fear or
greed. The numbers that have meaning to me would just be numbers to
him.</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=-1> Reading through the past posts to
RealTraders I get the impression that methodology is less important to
successful trading than confidence in one's methodology, consistency of
that methods application and the methodologys timely excecution. The
method could be based on market news, interest rates, momentum, relative
strength, earnings per share...phases of the moon or rubber ducks as long
as it's executed with confidence and consistency in a timely
manner.</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>THE ULTIMATE
TEAM...PERHAPS?</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=-1> Perhaps confident skill and experience
are difficult to put into one person. Those that have both, become master
traders. For the rest of us perhaps there would be value in, after having
found a methodology we can hang our hats on, turning over an account to an
8yr old who could execute the plan without emotion. Just kidding...sort
of...</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Just a
random thought I had. Hope it sparks some
response.</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>I am by no
means a master trader and I don't pretend to any particular skill or
knowlege. I'm a rank amateur at this game trying to get better. I am
however starting to get a feel for the psychology of trading problems that
more experience players have tried to express here on real
traders.</FONT></FONT> <FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1>Has anyone put
together such a
team?</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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Realtraders,<br>
<br>
As you know, I do not want to act like a policeman but if
you are going to continue posting on the these topics, PLEASE KEEP IT
INFORMATIVE AND EDUCATIONAL AND <u>DIRECTLY RELATED TO TRADING.
<br>
<br>
</u> As most know, the debate on astro trading becomes a 'hot'
topic every 2-3 months. And every time it ENDS in the same
dialogue. I am not here to advocate one trading method over another
but I think it could be safely said, that a trader must 'choose' the
appropriate method for their particular trading style. However, to
continually debate these subjects, or any subject, after 30-40 posts (3-4
days), it often leads to irrelevant exchanges between members and
occupies potentially valuable Forum bandwidth. Next thing you know,
somebody gets upset and the tension again builds. <br>
<br>
So, if you are going to continue to exhaust this subject (or any
subject for that matter), please remember to remain focused on providing
posts that are insightful, educational and useful to a majority of the
group. As our primary purpose is to provide quality posts related
to trading.<br>
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Reply-To: "RAY RAFFURTY" <rrraff@xxxxxxxx>
From: "RAY RAFFURTY" <rrraff@xxxxxxxx>
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<DIV>Hi all RT's,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Here's a quote sent to me by a friend. Think about it, especially in
relation to previous posts re. data feeds.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"When a man's knowledge is not in order, the more of it he has the
<BR>greater will be his confusion." Herbert Spencer,
(1820-1903)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
Good luck and good
trading,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
Ray Raffurty</DIV></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>An excellent book that will put you on the right
track to successful trading is Mark Dougla's The Disciplined Trader. I highly
recommend it to any new trader as one of the FIRST books to read. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>THOMAS BECK <<A
href="mailto:thombek@xxxxxxx";>thombek@xxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>To:
</B>Realtraders <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Wednesday, July 07, 1999 4:30 PM<BR><B>Subject: </B>GEN:Trading
Team<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hello Rt's</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A STORY...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> Forth of July barbeque , I'm
sitting on the deck engaged in casual conversation. The subject of Trading
comes up. As the conversation develops and goes through methods and
techniques of tradeing, I'm asked if and when I find my Holy Grail method
will I teach it to my sons. Of course...but not yet was my almost reflexive
reply. My oldest son is 8 years old and the thought of handing over my
account to an 8 year old was of course funny...the comment was of course
meant to be funny. However the thought stuck with me for a few days.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> A<FONT size=2> month earlier
my account had dropped suddenly, the victim of news on a particular stock I
held. A $10,000 loss in a matter of minutes...arrrgh!!! That ticklish tummy
feeling you get in a quickly desending elevator times a quadrillion. My mind
raced about what the loss meant and I regreted not haveing sold on open.
$10,000 is two jet skis, a small ski boat, Five big screen TV's, twice the
value of my current car, XX days work, XX months of mortgage etc......I'm
sure some of you are familiar with this experience. Luckily the stock
recovered later in the week but the feeling remained. I hadn't seen just
numbers, I saw what those numbers meant to me. Anyone who's drawn a salary
or an hourly wage couldn't help but to do the same, have the same
reaction.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT size=2>T</FONT>HE TWO THOUGHTS COME
TOGETHER</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2> As I sat a
watched my son play "Star Fox" (a video game), I wondered if he
could play my game "Stock Market" (also a video game) and do as
well. His quick reflexes and tolerance for mundane repetion, pattern
recognition and attention to detail learned from playing video games would
be an advantage. At 8 his IQ is already greater than mine (proud parent
bragging). His inexperience though, I thought, would actually be his
greatest advantage. He could "pull the trigger" and follow a
preset tradeing methodology without second guessing, hesitation, fear or
greed. The numbers that have meaning to me would just be numbers to
him.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2> Reading
through the past posts to RealTraders I get the impression that methodology
is less important to successful trading than confidence in one's
methodology, consistency of that methods application and the methodologys
timely excecution. The method could be based on market news, interest rates,
momentum, relative strength, earnings per share...phases of the moon or
rubber ducks as long as it's executed with confidence and consistency in a
timely manner.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>THE ULTIMATE TEAM...PERHAPS?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial> Perhaps confident skill and
experience are difficult to put into one person. Those that have both,
become master traders. For the rest of us perhaps there would be value in,
after having found a methodology we can hang our hats on, turning over an
account to an 8yr old who could execute the plan without emotion. Just
kidding...sort of...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just a random thought I had. Hope it sparks
some response.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am by no means a master trader and I don't
pretend to any particular skill or knowlege. I'm a rank amateur at this game
trying to get better. I am however starting to get a feel for the psychology
of trading problems that more experience players have tried to express here
on real traders.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>Has anyone put together such a
team?</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>In a football match (soccer), everyone runs
after the fella who has the ball. What I mean by this is that it is natural to
be criticised, even ridiculed at times (Edison being a case in point). Every
major discovery has always underone a process of:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>1/. being ridiculed;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>2/. being general accepted as
normal;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>3/. being taken for granted by everyone as
natural.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>We should not mistake mere bantering for severe
criticism. Traders tend to be hard on systems developers; this stems from many
factors, not the least from rip-off merchants who whip up a few
"known" facts and serve it up to us as the "grail". Also
because when we are trading we are always starting from a hole - we cannot
afford to be easy-going, otherwise the vultures snap us up.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT><FONT color=#000000
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Has anyone really said that there is no value in
Astro analysis? Is there that there anything be ashamed of in attempting
to post trades? Even if they do not work out perfectly all the time, it does not
necessarily mean that the system is useless. After 10,000 failures in attempting
to develop the electric light bulb, did not Edison merely state that he had
found the 10, 000th way NOT to make the electric light bulb. This is not to say
the 10,001 would not work - and in fact, here we are!.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Not that I feel sufficiently expert in giving
grist to your mill (Astro experts), but it seems that Carolan makea a good case
for a correlation between lunar aspects in the 1929 and 1987 crashes - vis a
vis, The Spiral Calendar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Post your trades, do not worry about criticism.
Be great!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Ira - has enough really been said?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Gram. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Messaggio originale-----</B><BR><B>Da:
</B>Ira <ist@xxxxxx><BR><B>A: </B>Jim
White <<A
href="mailto:jwhite43@xxxxxxx";>jwhite43@xxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Cc: </B><A
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> <<A
href="mailto:nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>>; Real
Traders 99 <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Data:
</B>08 July 1999 16:54<BR><B>Oggetto: </B>Re: Astro Technical Analysis -
Double Standard?<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>I have followed this thread on astro
for a while and said nothing. At this point I feel that a reply is
called for. Norman has contributed to this forum on many
occasions. Some times he was right and other times he was right, but a
little off on the timing. I don't recall him being really wrong.
<BR>Here is someone, who once again, says give me something for
nothing. Everything about astro is out there. Norman found something
that works for him and thought that someone else might benefit by it and put
his thoughts out there. If you are that anxious to prove or disprove
the theory, go out there, do YOUR<B><FONT size=+2> </FONT></B>homework and
come back and disprove what he has to say. If you want to learn about it,
contact Norman or someone else that teaches it. I don't
use astro because it doesn't suit my trading style. I spent a year
developing a system that works for me and I won't give that away either. If
you want a short cut pay for it. If you want to do it on your own, you
will pay an awful lot more and maybe never succeed. If you are just
out there to badger people I am sure that Mr. Duffey will enlist you on his
team.
<P>Nuff said. Ira.
<P>Jim White wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE = CITE>This reveals the real objective of this
individual - not to further the <BR>knowledge of the trader but to sell
you something. <BR>And there is no double standard. Each and every
technique should stand up to <BR>the same level of scrutiny. I would
like to see just one astro guy respond <BR>to questions on his technique
with an objective experiment that could be <BR>tested by anyone. I don't
think we will see such an offer. <BR>Jim <BR>----- Original Message
----- <BR>From: nwinski <nwinski@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>To: Real
Traders 99 <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <BR>Sent: Wednesday, July
07, 1999 11:46 PM <BR>Subject: Astro Technical Analysis - Double
Standard?
<P>> RTs, <BR>> <BR>> . One observation that I have made is
that it seem that the skeptics <BR>> set a higher standard for
Astrology than they do for any other form of <BR>> market analysis.
When someone mentions that they got a buy signal based <BR>> on some
oscillator or moving average, you don't see the entire RT list <BR>>
jump all over them asking for extensive statistics and causation proving
<BR>> that it works. If they do mention that it works 70% of the
time, people <BR>> are crawling thru their computer monitors to try
to get the formulae for <BR>> the new found holly grail. Now, I am
apparently expected to give <BR>> definitive scientific proof and
causation for Astrology and the markets. <BR>> <BR>> This is a
double standard applied by the skeptics. It is does not set a <BR>>
fair or level playing field. <BR>> My
purpose in posting Astro correlations is only to whet peoples <BR>>
appetites for this area of study. I am not here to do their
research or <BR>> homework. If they can see a nugget of value in
researching something I <BR>> post, then I have done the list a
valuable service. If someone decides <BR>> that they would like to
seriously pursue this avenue of study, I stand <BR>> ready to help.
<BR>> <BR>> Appetizingly, <BR>> <BR>> Norman
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Gwenael Gautier wrote:
> Fact is indeed:
>
> Nothing is predictable, NEVER EVER. There is no tool telling you what tomorrows
> price is gonna be! If results are correlated with the tool, than you ALWAYS get
> some positive series, but these are ONLY COINCIDENCES.
NW: Here are some "conincidences" that occured on Thursday, July 8, 1999, EDT (NY
Time).
Event Time
Result
Moon 90 deg. N. Node 11:25 AM SPU reaches high 5 minute bar for morning at
11.25 AM
Moon 0 deg. Saturn 12:14 PM SPU on low on consolidation from 11:25
High at 12:10 - 20 PM
Moon 90 Uranus 1:59 PM SPU makes low following previous high at
2:10 PM
Moon Parallel Venus 4:17 P M SPU rallies into close?
Conincidentally,
Norman
>
>
> What is key is to exploit the series when they are in your favor, and to cut
> losses short when they are not. What caused the series in the first place is
> IRRELEVANT.
>
> Gwenn
>
> | -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> | Von: charles meyer [SMTP:chmeyer@xxxxxxxx]
> | Gesendet am: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 6:05 PM
> | An: REAL TRADERS
> | Betreff: GEN: DUCKS, ASTROLOGY, ETC......
> |
> | Andrew, Norm & Group:
> |
> | Here is some additional grist for this mill. Years ago a publication
> | titled "The Skeptic Inquirer" (I believe that is the correct title) ran
> | an article on the scientific basis of astrology. The purpose of this
> | publication is to scientifically examine the mysterious, occult, un-
> | explained phenenoma, etc.
> |
> | Here's what the did. They provided the same natal birth chart
> | to several 'serious' astrologers. The astrologers chosen were well
> | know in their field, published and generally recognized as being
> | among the best in their field. The results were that although they
> | had the same information; each arrived at different conclusions
> | about the individual natal chart under analysis. (Sounds like a stock chart
> | right?) I believe they then concluded that the astrologers themselves proved
> | their contention that even 'serious' astrology was not scientific. Even
> | though we could say they did not approach this study with an open mind; this
> | type of evidence is highly sobering. Regarding its practical application to
> | trading, if the belief is strong enough perhaps this tool provides the
> | psychological confidence for taking trades--even though any coorelations may
> | be coincidental.
> |
> | Charles
> |
|