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<DIV><EM>Anyone read in the paper that Victor Niederhoffer is suing the CME for
$100 million because he alleges that the Merc mispriced options? What a
joke! The guy wrote a ton of S&P puts just before the selloff last
fall and now wants to blame someone else for the mishap! His track record
apparently had been great before this but he blew up on Oct. 27 when the Dow
sunk by 554 points. </EM></DIV>
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<DIV><EM>Give me a break. Everything I read or hear is that a good
trader needs to be accountable for his/her actions. Apparently its not the
case here.</EM></DIV>
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<DIV><EM><BR>Gary Kramer<BR>Oak Park, IL</EM></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT size=2>Hi</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Ray</FONT></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Raymond W Stacey
[mailto:raystacey@xxxxxxxxx] <BR><B>Sent:</B> 18 May 1999 02:47<BR><B>To:</B>
REALTRADERS<BR><B>Subject:</B> How we trade - I live to
trade<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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<DT><SPAN class=300153013-18051999></SPAN><FONT color=#008080><FONT
size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">B<SPAN class=300153013-18051999>ill Eykyn
wrote....</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>
<DT><SPAN class=300153013-18051999></SPAN><FONT color=#008080><FONT
size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">What I would really like to know is
exactly how you guys trade, once you<SPAN class=300153013-18051999>
</SPAN>have come to your conclusions. As a day trader only, I do find this
the<SPAN class=300153013-18051999> </SPAN>interesting part. Do you enter the
market on the open? After the opening<SPAN class=300153013-18051999>
</SPAN>range? When? Do you have to take the night session into account
and<SPAN class=300153013-18051999> </SPAN>could that alter your decision,
anyway? As I see it, each bar is basically<SPAN class=300153013-18051999>
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS">a day, whereas for me each bar is
in minutes.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DT></DL>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><SPAN class=300153013-18051999>As
a daytrader on the Bonds my entry and exit points are determined in a manner
totally different from my intra-day/short term position trading on
currencies.</SPAN><SPAN class=300153013-18051999> The question is
interesting to me mainly from a day-trading point of view. Primarily I work
mainly with pivots and the use of historical support and resistance levels.
Use </SPAN><SPAN class=300153013-18051999>of indicators is</SPAN><SPAN
class=300153013-18051999> li</SPAN><SPAN class=300153013-18051999>mited
to cursory glances at the 3/10 oscillator and the 5 min 20EM</SPAN><SPAN
class=300153013-18051999>A's</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><SPAN
class=300153013-18051999>Lind</SPAN></FONT><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><SPAN
class=300153013-18051999>a Rasche has opened some interesting avenues that I
would like to explore but it will take a major revelation to move me into a
different approach to my present.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><SPAN
class=300153013-18051999></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS"><FONT size=2>Regards</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" size=2>Ray</FONT></DIV>
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You make these statement and there appears to be little or no truth to them.
***** answers
Lawrence Chan wrote:
> couldn't resistance this temptation to say something :)
>
> It is proven that individual company's P/E ratios, capitalization, etc.
> are not too useful for forecasting the future stock price of a company,
> otherwise, the big brokerages would be in business buy and hold themselves
> as oppose to charging outrageous commission and selling non-standardized
> derivatives ...
****** Each major firm manages several mutual funds and uses this information
in that process. The commissions are outrages, but the majority of their
income doesn't come from commissions. If you use these fundamentals first as a
filter then use technicals for timing and measuring the move, you can be very
successful.
>
> for interest rate and inflation - that affect policy change and in turn
> affect long term supply and demand on all securities ...
**** No matter what the interest rate climate, some stocks will go up and
others will go down. You can make money under any interest rate environment.
You just have to be able to long or short and trade what you see not what you
hear.
>
> so, the borderline of true cause and effect is quite unclear ...
> especially when time price series now are known to be chaotic systems
> already => principle of causation no longer works!
*****I hate to disagree, but time and price are very predictable, I have
traded that way for a long time, very successfully. Remembers numbers don't
lie, but liars use numbers.
>
>
> -Lawrence Chan
>
> ----------
> > From: GREHERT@xxxxxxx
> >
> > RE: Astrology. I think the issue here is rational cause and effect.
> We
> > discuss interest rates, inflation, P/E ratios, sentiment, capitalization,
>
> > etc. because these things have an effect on the markets. What in God's
> name
> > could the location of Uranus have on S&P futures?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Jerry Rehert
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