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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Group:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>The idea about exiting if the trade does not go in your favor
after a certain</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>number of bars is also taught by Joe Ross. Actually, he
probably got the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>idea from DiNapoli! Ross says to give it three (3)
bars......</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Chas</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Ira <ist@xxxxxx><BR><B>To:
</B>RealTraders Discussion Group <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Tuesday, April 13, 1999 10:22 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: question about
stops<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>It appears that you are subconsciously utilizing a
time cycle. If you are exiting on the fourth bar, I would guess that
you are looking at a cycle of ~8 bars . Have a good day.
Ira
<P>Earl Adamy wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE = CITE> <FONT color=#000000><FONT
size=-1>Immediately is probably a stretch, but I've found that no matter
what time frame I'm day/position trading, a trade which does not move my
way within a few bars is probably going to end up going against me. As a
general guideline (not rule), I use 4 bars or out - not sure where I
picked that up, may have been DiNapoli. Generally, once I start hoping
that the trade is not going to go for my stop, it generally does. It's a
guideline rather than a rule for me because the circumstances and entry
will vary from trade to trade e.g. a trade off a reversal needs to
explode my way while I tend to be a bit more patient on entry into
consolidation of an existing trend.</FONT></FONT> <FONT
size=-1>Earl</FONT>
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size=-1><B>From: </B>Linda Swope <<A
href="mailto:lswope@xxxxxxxxxxx";>lswope@xxxxxxxxxxx</A>></FONT></FONT>
<BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1><B>To: </B>RealTraders Discussion
Group <<A
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></FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1><B>Date:
</B>Sunday, April 11, 1999 1:19 PM</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT
face=Arial><FONT size=-1><B>Subject: </B>Gen: question about
stops</FONT></FONT> <BR> Is anyone trading whereby the trade
must prove itself immediately or you're out? I've tried super
tight stops and,yes, I kept getting stopped out immediately.
I've tried generous support as stops and it blew right
through. I want to take into account some market noise, but if
I think I just bought into a change of trend (after a small
retracement) and the trend doesn't prove itself, how quick should I
get out? As I read price more than indicators, sometimes my gut
says bail, but my stop is sitting on a logical support level.
Do I follow my gut and bail rather than take the hit my methodology
is about to deliver me? Comments please.
Thanks!Linda <A
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<BR>Climb the mountains & get their glad tidings: Peace will
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Ira:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Aren't we discussing two different concepts on DMA's? To
wit that Hurst</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>talks about shifting them back 1/2 cycle whereas Earl is
referencing the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>idea of displacing them forward? Maybe I'm just
confused. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Chas</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><B>-----Original Message-----</B><BR><B>From:
</B>Ira <ist@xxxxxx><BR><B>To:
</B>RealTraders Discussion Group <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Tuesday, April 13, 1999 10:25 AM<BR><B>Subject: </B>Re: moving
average<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>Hurst's book on time cycles uses displaced
moving averages and proves that they work. He also uses them to
project price movement. That also works. There are certain
flaws, but I will let you find those for yourselves. Ira.
<P>Earl Adamy wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE = CITE> <FONT color=#000000><FONT size=-1>Don't
want to throw cold water on your parade, but have you developed evidence
that displaced moving averages work? Your mileage may vary, but my own
back testing of a variety of lengths and displacements indicated to me
that they provide no objective contribution. Like you, I've read and
used DiNapoli's techniques and know he uses DMA's, however I have never
been able to find any published material which indicate DMA's provide a
statistically valid trading advantage. Robert Krause does employ a
stair-stepped 3 day DMA of highs and lows for stop and reversal which
(like DiNapoli's DMA's) look good on charts, however I've never
backtested the concept and most of the available software is unable to
produce a stair-stepped value without extensive custom programming.
Personally, I would suggest that examination of the pattern of the
pivots and bars can provide more useful information than a
DMA.</FONT></FONT> <FONT size=-1>Earl</FONT>
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<BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=-1><B>Date: </B>Monday, April 12,
1999 9:26 PM</FONT></FONT> <BR><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=-1><B>Subject: </B>Gen: moving average</FONT></FONT>
<BR> Perhaps my thinking is flawed and I'm counting on you all
to tell me if it is. I'm fond of displaced moving
averages. It makes sense to me that if using the average as an
entry signal for a long position, that one would use an average of
the highs as opposed to the commonly used close. If one is
waiting for a breakout or proof of a trend, then stock price
breaking above the average of highs seems a better indication than
breaking above the average of closes. Conversely, an average
of lows would be used for a short signal.
Comments? Thanks,Linda <A
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