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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Verdana>Please provide us with your personal
experience with Bill's manual to justify your attacks on both him and his
product.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Thank you,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Verdana>Bob</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: MS <<A
href="mailto:mseflin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mseflin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>To:
RealTraders Discussion Group <<A
href="mailto:realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>Date:
Saturday, March 20, 1999 3:26 PM<BR>Subject: Re: Buyer Beware
Clarification<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>>Randall,<BR>><BR>>Your point is
right on the mark !!!! What I find interesting...is that in
this<BR>>industry the vendors expect the consumer to go back to the dark ages
and blindly<BR>>cough up $$$$ just because they say so...being a responsible
and consciousous<BR>>consumer....I have the right to get all the information
necessary before making<BR>>a purchase...and that includes....hard, physical
evidence that the seller and<BR>>their product is what they say it is...not
just because they say so. If I go to<BR>>a doctor I have the right to
check out everything about him, before I accept his<BR>>services or have him
do surgery on me...the same goes for any service provided<BR>>or product
offered....But no...not here....Bill doesn't think he should have
to<BR>>provide evidence to his claims, and the only way he can provide
evidence that he<BR>>can successfully trade his methodology is his brokerage
statement. No he can<BR>>not promise or guarentee that the student will
learn and be successful. George<BR>>Angell sells his methodology and
offers 60 day money back guarentee....If Bill's<BR>>or any other scam
artist...oh excuse me...vendor's product and or services had<BR>>any merit,
they would put their money where their mouth is...but guess<BR>>what....he
doesn't.... and keeps playing off the gullability of others. I
will<BR>>continue to warn people off of people like Bill E.<BR>><BR>>We
are the power,<BR>><BR>>Mark Seflin<BR>><BR>>Randall Kurzon
wrote:<BR>><BR>>> I want to clarify a couple of points that were in my
earlier message that<BR>>> may have been taken differently than their
intended meaning. When I referred<BR>>> to a guarantee I wasn't asking for
nor even thinking of a guarantee that<BR>>> Bill's manual would cause me
or anyone else to be a profitable bond trader.<BR>>> No one can promise
this. I want a guarantee that the content is there. Any<BR>>> one with
just a little common sense will agree that $377.00 (plus shipping<BR>>>
etc.) is an AWFUL lot of money for a manual that you can not look at
before<BR>>> you buy it. I can look at almost any other trading related
book in a<BR>>> bookstore before I buy it. I can order from Trader's
Press, Amazon.com,<BR>>> Barnes and Noble, and others with the ability to
return the book if it is<BR>>> worthless to me. Why can't one have this
same ability when ordering from Mr.<BR>>> Eykyn? Because it's too much
bother to him? Well now THAT pissed me off.<BR>>><BR>>> I asked Mr.
Eykyn to provide some sort of proof as to justify the cost of<BR>>> his
manual. That proof could have included but was not limited to
account<BR>>> statements (yes, there ARE people that do make them public!
Honest people<BR>>> that is), legitimate testimonials or anything else to
justify such a price<BR>>> for his manual. His reply basically said that
he would provide nothing<BR>>> except his word and that of someone I had
never heard of. OK, I wasn't<BR>>> expecting results from LBR saying she
traded using Bill's manual, just<BR>>> something from *somebody* that had
all appearances of being legitimate. I<BR>>> received a page of printed
testimonials from Mr. Eykyn after the fact but<BR>>> none of the
testimonials had names, addresses, or phone numbers. If I were a<BR>>>
vendor offering a product for any price, large or small, I would
certainly<BR>>> plan to ask some of my most successful customers if they
would provide a<BR>>> testimonial showing that their success is related to
my product and allow<BR>>> people to contact them. Otherwise the vendor
can write all the glowing<BR>>> testimonials he wants. If no one was
willing then I would then have to prove<BR>>> the value some other way,
possibly through my own account statements.<BR>>><BR>></BODY></HTML>
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Hi Stewart,
Seem like every few months we have to go thru an exchange like this
(do you remember Murray Math or Gary from Hawaii?) They seem to last about
a week to 10 days, then one of two things happen, either the two antagonists
will agree to disagree like gentlemen or one or both will go to far and get
kicked off the list. Personally, I hope Bob and Bill will will chose the
former, but either way it will end soon (I HOPE) as it is getting very
tiresome.
Good luck and good trading,
Ray Raffurty
-----Original Message-----
From: Stewart Taylor <staylor@xxxxxxx>
To: RealTraders Discussion Group <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Saturday, March 20, 1999 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: Floor Trader Pivot Points
>
>Bill:
>
>I don't think its appropriate for you to constantly attack Bob,
>particularly just after he posts something that others find useful and
>helpful to the list
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