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I will try to refrain from name-calling in public, because I'm smart enough
to know it only makes me look like an idiot. I've told you what I think of
you by private email. If you were a better man than me, then you'd do the
same. Draw your own conclusions and stop fooling yourself into believing
that you're some kind of leader on this list. The only title you hold here
is that you are the most compelling example of everything that's wrong with
this list. You've done a very good job of assaulting and intimidating anyone
who doesn't agree with you, but I'm not going to abandon what I believe in.
I've got just as much right to partcipate here as you do. Get used to it.
I would propose that this list evolve into something better than what you
want it to be about.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jimmy Snowden [mailto:jhsnowden@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:21 AM
> To: Omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Honest System Vendors?
>
>
> Ron,
>
> You have proved yourself to us. We are trying to ignore you so you
> will go away. You know so little, and it is wrong, that you are a
> pain and a waste of everyone's time on this list. You are clearly
> certifiable and a liar. You have no value to anyone. You are a loser
> and want attention like a child. Just because you spent 8 years
> unable to build a system that does anything but lose money doesn't
> mean you have to convince us we can't make money. Most of us don't
> care about systems that are for sale. We don't need them. They are
> not good enough. Now go find a whiner list to join and bore them with
> your psychotic nonsense. You are the only offensive one here right
> now. You have hidden for five years on this list so go back to
> lurking or just leave.
>
> Best regards,
> Jimmy Snowden
> mailto:jhsnowden@xxxxxxx
>
>
> Wednesday, February 4, 2004, 11:13:37 AM, you wrote:
>
> RH> I have shopped and evaluated hundreds of systems over the
> last 8 years,
> RH> mostly for day trading S&P futures. Three systems vendors
> whose work I have
> RH> found to be credible and of value are listed in the table
> below. I know that
> RH> people here will accuse me of advertising for these guys, but
> I respect
> RH> their work and I think it's worthy of ackowledgement:
>
> RH> Vendor System Backtesting Real-time
> Web Site
>
> RH> John Ehlers R-Mesa to 1985 > 3 years
> www.mesasoftware.com
> RH> Jack Cahn Daybreaker to 1998 > 3
> years www.traderassist.com
> RH> John Clayburg Cyclone at least 1998 > 3 years
> www.clayburg.com
>
> RH> I would love to have a FAIR and MATURE conversation about
> these guys if
> RH> anyone wants to debate their merits and fallacies. I know a lot about
> RH> systems testing and evaluation, and I'm sure I could learn
> more by debating
> RH> the integrity of these systems. I accept that I may not know
> all of the
> RH> answers about the quality of commercial trading systems, but I'm very
> RH> interested in the subject.
>
> RH> I propose we try again to have a mature and intelligent
> discussion without
> RH> name-calling, attacking eachother's credibility, and flogging
> one another.
> RH> If you disagree with something, then try to state why, and
> try to present
> RH> your arguments as if you were an attorney making your case in court.
> RH> Remember that when you attack others personally, it almost
> always has a
> RH> negative impact on your ability to persuade others to your
> way of thinking.
>
> RH> I would like to see the anger and hostility of this group evolve into
> RH> something more productive and helpful. We CAN evolve this
> list to more than
> RH> a thug-fest. There are people reading this list who are
> seriously interested
> RH> in learning the TRUTHS about trading systems. Those of us who
> are learning,
> RH> cannot benefit unless we are able to see something that
> actually works. The
> RH> three systems listed above have worked IN REAL-TIME TRADING
> for at least
> RH> three years. There are other systems too, but these are good
> starting points
> RH> for a discussion. The code behind these systems is clearly
> discussed on the
> RH> web sites, and it's no secret to some here what each of them is based
> RH> on....and why they "work."
>
> RH> If you guys can learn to behave, then I'd be willing to
> invite each of these
> RH> vendors to come here and respond to INTELLIGENT questions.
> I'm sure they all
> RH> believe in their stuff, and that they'd be willing to engage
> in a friendly
> RH> debate as I have attempted to do. Let's try to clean up this
> room so that it
> RH> is more conducive to intelligent debate and discussion.
> Otherwise, we're
> RH> stuck with only the more closely-scrutinized and censored newsgroups.
>
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: DH [mailto:catapult@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:54 AM
> >> To: 'Omega List'
> >> Subject: Re: Market Timing Hoaxes, Myths, and Scams
> >>
> >>
> >> > I don't believe everyone here hates system
> >> > vendors.. That is way too harsh....There are many genuine vendors out
> >> > there who are open and above board.
> >>
> >> Name one.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Dennis
> >>
>
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