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Hmm....with your reasoning, I wonder what flag would fly over this
country today if we had your "mystic" beliefs after Japan bombed
Pearl Harbor? The men whom had that flag over there coffins, did
so to keep the Japanese Imperialism off of our soil, to keep this from
being a Socialist Nazi Regime. To ensure that the Constitution
would remain as such. I wonder if men didn't make these
sacrifices.....if we would even be having this discussion?
To all the Veterans living and dead.....this is one American
who is grateful!!
Adam Hefner
----- Original Message -----
From: "george w" <dubya43@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 1:25 AM
Subject: Re: THE ANSWER
> you quoted:
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> What makes jihad a
> binding institution in Islam is the fact that it is a communal not an
> individual obligation. The incentive for jihad lies in its two-fold
> benefits: booty for this life and martyrdom with its immediate
> promise for a blissful eternal hereafter for those killed in the
> battle..."
>
> to which the ancient romans, and still we today, would respond:
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> Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.
>
> (it means something like: it is sweet and right to die for the
fatherland.)
>
> So what is the difference between he who dies in a jihad and today's
> posthumous medal of honor winners?
>
> The former gives his life to an entity in which church and state are
mixed.
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> That is a substantial difference in our two systems, but note too the
> similarity as well: both condone the giving of one's life for the
community.
>
> Demistify the concept of "jihad" and what do you see?
>
> A coffin, a black veiled grieving widow holding a folded American flag...
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> >From: Chris Cheatham <nchrisc@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: Don Roos <rosewood@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: THE ANSWER
> >Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 09:02:46 -0500
> >
> >
> > > In addition, I challenge any Islamic individual (or others) to present
> >any
> > > evidence from the Koran or other *generally accepted* Islamic
scripture
> >that
> > > condones killing in the name of Allah.
> > >
> >
> >Don,
> >from "Islam" by Caesar E. Farah
> >"Jihad -- The idea of jihad in a military context with its emphasis on
> >the notion of continuous struggle against non-believers in God as the
> >sole deity tended to keep alive the spirit of solidarity in the
> >community over and against outsiders. While the Quran does not make
> >of jihad in the "holy war" context an article of faith, it is the
> >Hadith which renders it into a formula for "active struggle" that
> >invariably tended toward militant expression. What makes jihad a
> >binding institution in Islam is the fact that it is a communal not an
> >individual obligation. The incentive for jihad lies in its two-fold
> >benefits: booty for this life and martyrdom with its immediate
> >promise for a blissful eternal hereafter for those killed in the
> >battle..."
> >
> >To be clear, most sects of Islam do not adopt the militant approach. The
> >book is well worth reading for those interested in the subject.
> >
> >Chris
> >
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