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Why aren't you supporting Open Source? Why are you backing a proprietary
> programming language, is my question? . Why on earth would you support Sun
in
its attempts to create a language they control?"
One reason: because Java programmers are among the highest paid web
programmers out there -- around $125+/hr plus (checkout www.realrates.com).
ASP folks come in lower. Open Source is a nice idea but not practical. The
only way it will become practical is if a company can make money through
advertising revenue, selling add ons, or some other scheme. You watch,
more and more stuff produced by public Linux companies will not be open
source. Also, they'll be a lot less stable than the Linux OS becuase the
company has only limited resources to develop their software (unlike Linux)
and they have to pay their testers something. Once you put software in the
realm of public financing (ie markets), companies can no longer afford to
give their software away. I noticed freshmeat.com was acquired by a Andover
and banner ads started to appear. This is probably the main source of
revenue to justify it's continued support.
Java does have a symbol: SUNW. And you can trade a basket of similar stocks
on the NASDAQ futures if you have to have futures. Personally, I don't care
weather it's open source and closed source. All I care about is how much
it's going to make per hour. College idealism is nice but in the face of
bills and the desire for material wealth, it looses luster fast. Getting in
on the ground floor of a growing trend can be good, if the baby trend
continues but that's a risk you take.
As for the Borg thing, some of would argue that the Borgs have already
arrived and enslaved us: they're called PC's. But lets take another open
source idea: the human genome. Giving the world and all of the crazed fruit
baskets out there access to that information can and will produce some of
the nastiest viruses you ever saw. And they won't just effect your
hardware, they will effect you and you probably will be dead. So is open
source the panacea it's cracked up to be?
Java can't be that junkie if someone is willing to pay me $125/hr+ to code
it and the trend is still growing. Java has been with us for some time and
it's still growing. Your opinion is that the market's wrong here. Is the
market ever wrong? No, just one's interpretation of it.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [ tradergirl ] [mailto:tradergirl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:54 AM
> To: omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx; M. Simms
> Subject: ThinkJava?
>
>
> Think waste of time. If Java had a trading symbol on the CME, I
> would start
> betting short, my whole entire portfolio against it? Why?
> Because it is an
> invention of truly sick minds. I refused in school to touch it,
> and told my
> professor I will not program in a non-GNU based language. I will only
> program in GCC if anything. He agreed. He reluctantly agreed.
>
> Why aren't you supporting Open Source? Why are you backing a proprietary
> programming language, is my question? Why on earth would you
> support Sun in
> its attempts to create a language they control? Because it is scalable
> across a bunch of platforms? Who needs a bunch of platforms? I want
> Microsoft and Macs to die. I want free operating systems to thrive, and
> right now, if you think programming or modifying C/C++ is tough, then that
> is your opinion, but 30,000 developers right this second are on
> SourceForge,
> and Freshmeat.net, and doing just fine.
>
> Let me also say, Bill Joy, their Java/Jinni guy over @ sun is the
> stupidist
> ass I have come across. Read his article in WIRED last month? He thinks
> Terminator styled Borgs will be here within 20 years and we will all be
> enslaved by them. You think this turkey know what he is talking about?
>
> I liken Java to Prolog. Both were complete junk from the beginning.
>
> -TraderGirl
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "M. Simms" <prosys@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "[ tradergirl ]" <tradergirl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>; "OX" <enchant@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 8:09 AM
> Subject: RE: ATT:Tradergirl!! (LINUX DOWNLOAD $0)
>
>
> > Think JAVA, not Linux. Someday, SOMEONE will build a great MULTIPLATFORM
> > trading system and it will be in JAVA. Many Linux-based solutions are
> > written in C++.....fast, but totally non-portable. AND a "bear" to
> maintain
> > and modify !!
>
> Bear to modify? Go look at SOURCEFORGE.NET, or FRESHMEAT.NET
> there are currently like 30,000 open source developers working with C/C++
> right now, on tons of projects, all working together, for FREE SOFTWARE.
> $0
>
> >
> > Formula One 7.0 from www.tidestone.com has a terrific, Excel-compatible
> > spreadsheet program.
> > It runs EVERYWHERE.....Linux, Solaris, MAC, Windows, etc.
> >
> > Systems requirements: only 1 megabyte plus the most recent Java
> "JVM 2.0".
> > Contact Tidestone and you should inquire as to vars and programmers who
> have
> > customized it for a trading application. Why ? Unfortunately, you must
> know
> > Java to customize it.
>
> Notice how Sun is moving hard into their Jinni deal? Sort of moving head
> on,
> as sort of soon to be overshadowing Java?
>
>
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [ tradergirl ] [mailto:tradergirl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 1:09 AM
> > > To: omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx; OX
> > > Subject: Re: ATT:Tradergirl!! (LINUX DOWNLOAD $0)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "OX" <enchant@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "[ tradergirl ]" <tradergirl@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 7:16 PM
> > > Subject: ATT:Tradergirl!!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Trader Girl....
> > > >
> > > > can I ask if there is a Linux package that is equall too or
> better the
> > > > MS XL spreadsheet?
> > >
> > >
> > > do a search on:
> > >
> > > www.freshmeat.net
> > >
> > > There will be a bunch of them, I am sure. Or, just download or
> > > get StarOffice, it is like identical to Microsoft Office 2000 Pro, and
> has
> > > a built in WebBrowser, Word Processor, Spreadsheet, etc. etc. etc.
> > >
> > > It is a 70meg download from www.sun.com - or you can order the entire
> > > software on CD for $5, OR-- and get the manual, I think for $15.
> > >
> > > > thank you and kind regards
> > > > Stephen from Australia......!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > and what version and package of Linux do you recoomend to run?
> > >
> > > Corel or Caldera is you are an end-user (even RedHat is good)
> > > Redhat, Mandrake, SuSE, Debian, if you want more raw joy.
> > >
> > > Corel is the most user friendly right now, and includes Word Perfect
> > > Office Suite Pro on it.
> > >
> > > I use Mandrake now, but that is only because I have a DualPentium
> > > Linux box, and it can take advantage of two-processors simultaneously.
> > >
> > > TraderGirl
> > >
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