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Hi Robert,
At almost 4 years, I'm still a babe in the woods when it comes to trading.
I don't think "seasoned professional" happens for another 20 years or so
:-)
A mailing list, like this, is an opportunity to share ideas, experiences and
brainstorm with other like-minded folks... Omega customers in this case.
An on-line "support group."
Let's suppose you bought some [pick-a-brand] tools...umm, Craftsman, and
joined a Craftsman-tools mailing list.
And let's assume you were very unhappy with the
style/workmanship/quality/etc/etc of the tools, and you heard on the
Craftsman-tools mailing list that others were unhappy too.
And suppose that people had complained to Craftsman with varying results.
And suppose that Craftsman had a money-back guarantee that they honored.
Question: What are you going to do? Whail and commiserate with folks on
the Craftsman-list who are unhappy like you, or return the dumb tools, find
some you like better, and go build (houses?) or whatever you were PLANNING
TO BUILD WITH THE TOOLS.
Let us not forget that TradeStation, etc. are just TOOLS to help us trade
better. If they are working for you, GREAT! If not, pitch it out and find
something that does. The reality is that if you're not successful trading,
it is probably not the fault of ANY version of TradeStation... right?
This is rocket science, eh?
(disclaimer: I like Craftsman tools, it was just a dumb example)
Doug
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert W Cummings [mailto:robert.cummings@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 5:07 AM
> To: Doug Forman
> Cc: Robert W Cummings; Dick Smith; Omega List
> Subject: RE: Omega Record Revenues And 51% Increase In Income
>
>
> Hey Doug that's great for you being a seasoned professional. My point is
> many are not and Mark Brown warned people long before the bugs on TSi
> started to show up on the list that TSi was beta. Mark even with his crude
> language he felt an obligation to warn others before buying into this bug
> maze to save both your time and money. So maybe you just remained
> quite and
> polite but Mark saved me from pain by speaking up. I appreciate that Doug
> and really could care less about the presentation because some kind of
> presentation is better than none. Its probably considered nice and polite
> not to do so but I would rather have the truth.
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>
> At 11:19 PM 4/21/1999 -0700, Doug Forman wrote:
> >Hi Robert,
> >
> >Been daytrading since 1995, started with TS 3.x, lived through
> the nightmare
> >of 4.x, now living through the nightmare of 2000i. If I were
> dependent upon
> >using *ONLY* Omega products, I'd feel panic. Fortunately, I
> also have other
> >tools which I use to trade (as well as TS). I suspect this is
> also true for
> >others on this list.
> >
> >Like many others, I traded as a "hobby" until I was profitable enough to
> >trade for a living (which I do now, trading more than my own account). I
> >realize you could not have known this, since you don't know me and never
> >asked...
> >
> >There is rarely a legitimate and productive reason for
> crudeness, rudeness,
> >or childish tantrums amongst professionals. If there's a real legitimate
> >problem (with ANY product or vendor), pursue it through proper
> channels...
> >including legal ones if appropriate. But whailing and moaning
> about one's
> >self-inflicted injury serves only to draw attention to oneself,
> and not to
> >the issue.
> >
> >Last I checked, no one is required to purchase Omega products, and I have
> >yet to read about anyone that is dissatisfied with Omega
> products that has
> >not received their money back (or an extension of their
> >money-back-guarantee) when requested.
> >
> >Do I depend upon TS2000i to make a living? Are you kidding? I
> do partially
> >depend on TS40, but could live without it if needed. Diversification is
> >good in trading tools as well as in the market :-)
> >
> >Trade well, Robert...
> >
> >Doug
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Robert W Cummings [mailto:robert.cummings@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>
> >> Dick and Doug you both should just ignore "Mark Brown" and buy
> TSi. Then
> >> when the bugs start costing you real money you both can write your nice
> >> polite letters to Omega. When you compliant falls on deaf ears and if
> >> trading is your living not a hobby lets see how polite you are then.
> >>
> >> Robert
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 03:59 PM 4/21/1999 -0700, Doug Forman wrote:
> >> >Thanks for making several excellent points, Dick. I think your
> >> thoughts are
> >> >lucid and well stated. I agree...
> >> >
> >> >Having followed this list quietly for a couple years, I recall
> >> Mark making
> >> >several meaningful posts to this list in the past. Unfortunately, I
> >> >eventually found it necessary to implement a "Mark Brown" filter
> >> on incoming
> >> >email so I would not be continuously exposed to the vulgarity
> and general
> >> >unhappiness he expresses. Others have indicated to me that they
> >> have done
> >> >likewise.
> >> >
> >> >Mark, if you're listening, be aware that the style of your messages is
> >> >probably damaging the credibility of their content.
> >> >
> >> >Dick, thanks again for saying what I was thinking!
> >> >
> >> >Doug
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Dick Smith [mailto:Dick@xxxxxxxxxx]
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 5:18 PM
> >> >> To: Mark Brown; Omega List; Chris Baker
> >> >> Subject: Re: Omega Record Revenues And 51% Increase In Income
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear Mark;
> >> >>
> >> >> Though I certainly am no lawyer, I'm would never be willing
> to take the
> >> >> liability risks associated with setting up a web site (or
> >> >> publishing in any
> >> >> way) comments adverse to Omega Research's products, regardless
> >> how good or
> >> >> bad they may be. Worse still is the hostile, inflammatory
> >> language that
> >> >> appears in these e-mails and on the web site coupled with threats
> >> >> like words
> >> >> to the effect that he is nowhere near through citing all the
> >> bugs in the
> >> >> Omega Research applications.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you hope to see any bugs that may exist in 2000i or
> >> whatever of their
> >> >> applications corrected. That is NOT the way to go about it.
> >> It IS a good
> >> >> way to wind up sitting at the defense table in civil action
> which Omega
> >> >> Research is probably better situated to pursue financially than the
> >> >> defendant.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you want to get the problems resolved, the best way to go
> >> >> about it is to
> >> >> clearly identify the problems in writing WITHOUT ANY hostile,
> >> heated, or
> >> >> inflammatory language. Just basically explain what happens or
> >> >> what's wrong
> >> >> with the program and what ill effect or hardship that
> causes you. Of
> >> >> course, you should respectfully urge the addressee to have the
> >> problem or
> >> >> problems repaired at the earliest possible moment. And, very
> >> important, I
> >> >> cannot express strongly enough the need to address such
> >> correspondence to
> >> >> the President or Chief Executive Officer, whoever that may be
> >> BY NAME. If
> >> >> you don't know the name, FIND OUT. It's as easy to do as a
> >> >> simple phone to
> >> >> the research desk of your local library. Find out their
> name AND THEIR
> >> >> mailing address (which are often different from the company's
> >> offices and
> >> >> plants. If you elect to fax your correspondence, it's worth a
> >> >> call to their
> >> >> office beforehand to get that person's individual fax number.
> >> >> Faxes of this
> >> >> nature sent to the main fax number may never see the CEO's
> desk or even
> >> >> his/her waste basket.
> >> >>
> >> >> I am not trying to delude you into believing that your
> >> correspondence will
> >> >> actually reach the CEO. But, if properly sent and
> >> respectfully worded, it
> >> >> WILL fall into the hands of a CEO's assistant or a VP who
> can and most
> >> >> likely will deal with the problem, hopefully in a way that benefits
> >> >> everyone.
> >> >>
> >> >> As for the bugs web site? I'd delete that in a New York minute.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> With kindest regards,
> >> >>
> >> >> Dick Smith
> >> >> Dick@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: Mark Brown <markbrown@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: Omega List <omega-list@xxxxxxxxxx>; Chris Baker
> >> <chrisbak@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 12:13 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: Omega Record Revenues And 51% Increase In Income
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > well I just emailed this company BancBoston info@xxxxxxxx
> >> >> and told them
> >> >> > about the Bug Report 2000 web site that has been placed in
> >> every search
> >> >> > engine on the internet.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I also told them that they didn't know jack about Omega and its
> >> >> customers
> >> >> or
> >> >> > they would have down graded it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > mb
> >> >> >
> >> >> > World Famous Bug Report 2000 >
> >> >http://www.markbrown.com/BugReport2000.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Today BancBoston anlayst Jon Ekoniak (Robertson Stephens)
> >> upgraded Omega
> >> >> Research to a long-term attractive rating, from market perform.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Perhaps Robertson Stephens should be made aware of TS 2000's being
> >> >> released with numerous problems, and Omega's ongoing refusal
> >> to admit to
> >> >any
> >> >> bugs in TS 2000.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
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