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[EquisMetaStock Group] Re: System Tester - Zero Lag EMA Crossover with OPT



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Paul,

Post your exact formulas for me.

Preston


--- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Paul Harris" 
<paul_vicmar@xxx> wrote:
>
> Preston
> 
> OK had a look and couple of points arise.
> (ZLEMA=Zero Lag EMA)
> The Indicator builder does not allow me to change the period funtion
> in the ZLEMA formula to, in our example, "opt1".
> 
> The other thing:
> "Cross(ZeroLagEMA,Mov(ZeroLagEMA,opt2,E))"
> 
> Whilst the first ZLEMA would be optimised, the second ZLEMA would be
> an optimsed EMA of the ZLEMA.
> Would it not be possible to create two ZLEMA formulas, ZLEMA1(short)
> and ZLEMA2(long). I am sure that it is possible, the trick is how to
> optimise them.
> 
> Gracias
> PAUL
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, pumrysh <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > Paul,
> > 
> > Sure. Look at Equis - CCI +100/-100 Crossover tester and check 
those 
> > buy and sell tabs.
> > 
> > In the original formula you would cange the input value to and 
opt# 
> > value like this:
> > 
> > Period:= opt1;
> > EMA1:= Mov(CLOSE,Period,E);
> > EMA2:= Mov(EMA1,Period,E);
> > Difference:= EMA1 - EMA2;
> > ZeroLagEMA:= EMA1 + Difference;
> > ZeroLagEMA
> > 
> > Then the Buy Order is:
> > 
> > Period:= opt1;
> > EMA1:= Mov(CLOSE,Period,E);
> > EMA2:= Mov(EMA1,Period,E);
> > Difference:= EMA1 - EMA2;
> > ZeroLagEMA:= EMA1 + Difference;
> > ZeroLagEMA
> > Cross(ZeroLagEMA,Mov(ZeroLagEMA,opt2,E))
> > 
> > Make it easy on yourself and run this with a non optimized sell 
then 
> > optimize the sell side.
> > 
> > Preston
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Paul Harris" 
> > <paul_vicmar@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Preston
> > > 
> > > Thanxs for the walkthrough. I understand the logic of what you 
have
> > > done but I would prefer to optimise on the original formula of 
Zero
> > > Lag EMA instead of a moving average of Zero Lag EMA.
> > > The original formula that we have been using is the following :
> > > 
> > > Period:= Input("What Period",1,250,10);
> > > EMA1:= Mov(CLOSE,Period,E);
> > > EMA2:= Mov(EMA1,Period,E);
> > > Difference:= EMA1 - EMA2;
> > > ZeroLagEMA:= EMA1 + Difference;
> > > ZeroLagEMA
> > > 
> > > I understand that the "mov" function will allow you to only use 
the
> > > moving averages listed in Metastock i.e EXP, SIM, WEI, etc and 
not 
> > in
> > > this case our Zero Lag EMA so would it be possible to use 
> > the "cross"
> > > function. So that the logic would be:
> > > Buy when the optimised Zero Lag EMA(shorter)crosses over the 
> > optimised
> > > Zero Lag EMA(longer). And conversely sell when the longer 
crosses 
> > the
> > > shorter.
> > > 
> > > Yours
> > > PAUL
> > > 
> > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, pumrysh <no_reply@> 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Paul,
> > > > 
> > > > Let's see if we can provide some recap information for anyone 
> > else 
> > > > wishing to take part in this. The indicators were listed by 
you 
> > in 
> > > > message 24953.
> > > > 
> > > > As I remember we had several indicators from which to take 
> > signals. We 
> > > > had a MACD that we made using the ZeroLag EMA and we also 
took 
> > the 
> > > > ZeroLag MACD and normalized it. 
> > > > 
> > > > Now we want to do an exploration and optimize some values to 
see 
> > what 
> > > > performs best.
> > > > 
> > > > This was always a lot of fun but also consumed large amounts 
of 
> > time. 
> > > > Even so you have to walk through it just to see how it works. 
> > > > Optimization is not widely favored, so just realize that 
there 
> > are a 
> > > > lot of critics out there. There are no hardened rules to 
> > optimizing as 
> > > > any value is fair game but just realize that it is far better 
to 
> > run 
> > > > your test on a smaller number of values and if you have to 
run 
> > your 
> > > > test several times thats quite alright.
> > > > 
> > > > You have chosen the ZeroLag EMA and a moving average 
crossover. 
> > Easy 
> > > > enough. First go into the system tester and first thing you 
> > notice is 
> > > > that there already are some test included. Let's take a look 
at 
> > the 
> > > > Equis-moving average crossover...open it. Open the Buy Order 
> > tag. What 
> > > > you will see is:
> > > > 
> > > > Mov(C,opt1,E) > Mov(C,opt2,E)
> > > > 
> > > > Next click on the Optimizations tag and look at the values 
> > assigned 
> > > > for opt1 and opt2.
> > > > 
> > > > In order to use the Zero Lag EMA all you will need to do is 
> > replace 
> > > > the Close or C with an assigned variable for the fml("Zero 
Lag 
> > EMA").
> > > > Like this:
> > > > 
> > > > A:= fml("Zero Lag EMA");
> > > > 
> > > > Now just reference it in your system test. Like this:
> > > > 
> > > > A:= fml("Zero Lag EMA");
> > > > A > Mov(A,opt1,E)
> > > > 
> > > > This will leave the original formula intact and you will be 
> > optimizing 
> > > > on the moving average of it. If you want to optimize the 
> > original 
> > > > formula you must include it in your test formula instead of 
just 
> > the 
> > > > fml call variable. Notice in the example above that all we 
did 
> > was 
> > > > place an opt# where a numeric value would normally go.
> > > > 
> > > > I would be careful about over-optimizing though. The results 
are 
> > > > really going to be the result of how well the formula 
performs 
> > on a 
> > > > particular stock or group of stocks during a particular 
period 
> > of time 
> > > > and may not be an indication of how well future performance 
can 
> > be 
> > > > determined. Best to try the test on stocks of varying 
> > performance and 
> > > > use those as a benchmark. This is really where most criticism 
> > comes 
> > > > from.
> > > > 
> > > > That should get you going, Let us know how it goes.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Preston  
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >  
> > > >    
> > > > 
> > > > --- In equismetastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Paul Harris" 
> > <paul_vicmar@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Some weeks ago Preston and I worked on an exploration and 
> > expert
> > > > > advisor for a Zero Lag MACD.
> > > > > So I was looking at using a Zero Lag EMA in a system test, 
> > similar to
> > > > > a MA crossover. My only problem is that I want to use the 
> > optimiser 
> > > > to
> > > > > find the best time periods for Zero Lag EMA and I don´t 
know 
> > how to 
> > > > do it.
> > > > > I know I have to indentify the Zero Lag EMA as fml("Zero 
Lag 
> > EMA")but
> > > > > then how can I introduce the opt1 function?
> > > > > Some help would be greatly appreciated.
> > > > > Thanxs
> > > > > PAUL
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>




 
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