| Tom,   Here they are together:   e1:=Mov(C,3,E);e2:=Mov(e1,3,E);
 e3:=Mov(e2,3,E);
 e4:=Mov(e3,3,E);
 e5:=Mov(e4,3,E);
 e6:=Mov(e5,3,E);
 c1:=-.618*.618*.618;
 c2:=3*.618*.618+3*.618*.618*.618;
 c3:=-6*.618*.618-3*.618-3*.618*.618*.618;
 c4:=1+3*.618+.618*.618*.618+3*.618*.618;
 c1*e6+c2*e5+c3*e4+c4*e3;
   e1:=Mov(C,5,E);e2:=Mov(e1,5,E);
 e3:=Mov(e2,5,E);
 e4:=Mov(e3,5,E);
 e5:=Mov(e4,5,E);
 e6:=Mov(e5,5,E);
 c1:=-.618*.618*.618;
 c2:=3*.618*.618+3*.618*.618*.618;
 c3:=-6*.618*.618-3*.618-3*.618*.618*.618;
 c4:=1+3*.618+.618*.618*.618+3*.618*.618;
 c1*e6+c2*e5+c3*e4+c4*e3;
   Only the periods are modified.  Please 
note:  Tim uses .7, where I have substituted .618.  Tim's an engineer 
and I'm a superstitious Fibonacci fan.   Take care,   Uncle Steve 
  ----- Original Message -----  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 5:51 
  PM Subject: Re: [EquisMetaStock Group] Early 
  trend stages 
 Steve,   when you go to a T5, do you change anything 
  besides the periods in the 6 ema's (e1 to e6)? That is, do any numbers in c1 to c4 
  change?   Thanks   Tom   
    ----- Original Message -----  Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 12:40 
    PM Subject: Re: [EquisMetaStock Group] 
    Early trend stages 
 Philip,   I just wrote a 1,000 word article on a 
    similar subject: Tillson's T3's.  It will be in the March 
    issue of Lind-Waldock's newsletter.  As soon as their lawyers/liars 
    give me the green light, I will make it available to the forum (but, maybe I 
    can forward you my notes...without getting in trouble).   As many know, Tim's adaptive moving averages 
    (see attachment for TASC January '98 article) are far superior to many of 
    the average variations you mentioned (and far superior to what certain 
    vendors, in my fine city, will SELL you).  I'm not knocking MACD 
    or Jurik's "stuff" or anyone's work, Tim's work is simply 
    better.  Why?  His averages exhibit the desirable traits of being 
    very "smooth", but they are NOT sensitive to random noise.  The T3 
    modifies the "lag and overshoot" and tends to eliminate the whipsawing that 
    many traders experience using simple moving averages.  A real thing of 
    beauty:  very smooth, but sensitive to significant directional changes 
    (see attachments).   I trade with a couple dozen people using 
    variations of the T3's.  Most of us use them to mechanically scalp 
    points from the emini S&P market.  Although we are finding new and 
    better ways to apply these adaptive moving averages, one of my brand new 
    favorites is to replicate the T3 formula and create a T5 (five periods, 
    instead of three).  Then, subtract the T5 from the T3 (which, of 
    course, calculates the difference between the averages).  It 
    creates a stunning momentum oscillator.  We monitor it all day and 
    apply it to ten minute candles.     Philip, if you need any other help...you know 
    how to reach me.  I hope this helps.   Take care,   Uncle Steve 
      ----- Original Message -----  Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 
      8:30 PM Subject: [EquisMetaStock Group] Early 
      trend stages 
 Greetings All,
 
 By the time many of the more 
      popular trend indicators kick in (moving
 averages of various flavors 
      and combinations, the MACD, the ADX and even
 the PDI/MDI) the trend 
      itself can often be nicely underway. This seems to
 apply especially 
      when price action takes a sharp turn, as in a "V" bottom
 or an 
      inverted "V" top. The numbers feeding into the calculation of the
 indicators cause a lag. Gradual changes in direction don't seem to 
      pose a
 problem.
 
 I'm not trying to call tops and bottoms, but 
      even a minor jump on
 conventional trend indicators would be helpful. 
      To date, my efforts to get
 a handle on the initial phase of trends 
      after sharp market turns have not
 been rewarding. I can't seem to 
      conceptualize it. Can anyone point me in
 the direction of published 
      thoughts on how one could approach this kind of
 market action? Or, 
      would you be willing to share some basic observations of
 your own? I 
      can't imagine that this question hasn't occupied many traders
 at one 
      time or another.
 
 If I should simply "fugeddaboudit," well, that's a 
      possibility too. I may
 be cross-posting this inquiry. My apologies in 
      advance.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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