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There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. ODDST Probability Cones
From: Freddie Ng <n07476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Shipping charges on MS EOD maintenance upgrades
From: "ajhilker" <ajhilker@xxxxxxx>
3. Re: Shipping charges on MS EOD maintenance upgrades
From: JayTownsend@xxxxxxx
4. Re: ODDST Probability Cones
From: Debra Ann Petitan <DrDAP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: Stock Option
From: "Pablo Paolucci" <micro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: Stock Option
From: Debra Ann Petitan <DrDAP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: Volume By Price Indicator
From: Debra Ann Petitan <DrDAP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: ODDSÂT Probability Cones
From: Freddie Ng <n07476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
9. Re: ODDSÂT Probability Cones
From: "Pablo Paolucci" <micro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: Stock Option
From: Freddie Ng <n07476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: ODDSÂT Probability Cones
From: Debra Ann Petitan <DrDAP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
12. Re: ODDSÂT Probability
From: Debra Ann Petitan <DrDAP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
13. Re: Volume By Price Indicator
From: Debra Ann Petitan <DrDAP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. Re: Stock Option
From: Freddie Ng <n07476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
15. Re: ODDSĂ,ÂT Probability
From: Freddie Ng <n07476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 00:10:57 +0800
From: Freddie Ng <n07476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: ODDST Probability Cones
Hi Debra,
I read about the ODDS" Probability Cones which is useful for option trade.
Do you have the metastock formula ?
Best Regards
Freddie Ng
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 22:48:11 -0000
From: "ajhilker" <ajhilker@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Shipping charges on MS EOD maintenance upgrades
It was so seem that recieving these "Bug Fixes" is no longer passed on
free. They now charge you to ship the CD by "Snail Mail". I have heard
some get it for free. However, if you live in Canada it would seem you
pay. That would be 5.95 US by First Class "Snail Mail". So much for
supporting your product. Either the US Post Office or Equis (Reuters)
is doing pretty fine.
Disgruntled user!
PS: Only 3.95 US in the US
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:05:38 EDT
From: JayTownsend@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Shipping charges on MS EOD maintenance upgrades
<<However, if you live in Canada it would seem you
pay. That would be 5.95 US by First Class "Snail Mail". So much for
supporting your product. Either the US Post Office or Equis (Reuters)
is doing pretty fine.>>
They charge for shipment to U. S. customers too - we get a bargain at $5.00
U. S.
Jay
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:32:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Debra Ann Petitan <DrDAP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: ODDST Probability Cones
Hi Freddie,
Use the Don Fishback exploration and then read what he has within the Scan.
Maybe the formula is within the program.
The Probability Cones are not part of the ODDS scan for tradable Options, on
the surface. The principles are used but using Don Fishback's Exploration
and the Expert Advisor are the specific parts of MetaStock I was speaking
of. Also, Option Scope.
I am learning about Options too. I just don't feel Optionetics is the only
way to go.
Good Trading,
Debra Ann
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 23:54:06 -0300
From: "Pablo Paolucci" <micro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Stock Option
I actually didnt mention specific options soft on account your request was
related to metastock capabilities and use for options, the best options soft
is optionvue, or you can use the web service of www.optionetics.com.
there is other site like www.IVolatility.com
forget about the greeks in my experience they dont add anything crucial to
your trading, but volatility is crucial, this was the reason i used the
ip/hv ratio when i was still investing in options in the american market
mostly you must buy low volatility and sell (or write) high volatility, but
the problem is high or low comparing to what, so i started to use the ratio
to spot it fast, i dont have the exact code for the ratio with me, but you
can find the iv indicator on metastock quick indicator list and for the hv i
usethis formula:
Std(Log(C/Ref(C,-1)),10)/Std(Log(C/Ref(C,-1)),100)
make notice that while the implied is calculated based on the option price
the hv is calculated on the underlying.
about the group/industry ranked by their volatility, you can find in the
sites mentioned by me and debra that infomation
i never used it but optionetics is very much discussed and recommended
inoptions boards and usenet groups, but as a rule you should check the cboe
site
Bye
----- Original Message -----
From: Freddie Ng
To: Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Metastockusers] Stock Option
Pablo,
Appreciate your valuable systematic explanation. Those points that you
discussed were very important in option trading. If it can determine or
anticipate the correct underlying direction, this info can then be used to
interpret the option direction. Call follows underlying while Put is
reverse. I also understand that not all indicators are suitable for each
stock and Metastock can search and match the best indicator to optimized
profit, I wonder if I had missed out anything in Metastock for option.
Volatility(implied and Historical)
Keen to know how you use these info to analyze the option. I am aware that
one can lost trade due to volatility. You mentioned about use ratio of IV &
HV, can you elaborate a little bit more. The option volatility indicator is
for IV, how do you obtain HV in Metastock.
Btw, do you have any good source where I can obtain the volatility info.
Is there any such listing of group/industry ranked by their volatility.
Best Regards
Freddie Ng
At 04:07 AM 4/5/2003 -0300, you wrote:
Freddie,
on using metastock for options you have 2 problems
1 Data problem
2 analysis problem
1 since options trade for a short period, the problem arises, you cannot
make any analysis for a while, there is 2 ways around it : continuos
contracts (i tried them for a while , but they are not reliable in my
opnion), the alternative is using intraday data, so even if you can make
analysis on daily charts for a while, at least you can run intraday an.
2 about the analysis:
you must keep an eye on the stock or whatever the option is for
then you can analyze the option itself by common tech an. tools
then you have to keep an eye on implied volaitity and hystorical
volatility,
for while i used a ratio between the implied volatility and hystorical
volatility
check the quick drop indicator youll find some options indicators
Pablo
----- Original Message -----
From: "freddie_ng" <n07476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 2:00 AM
Subject: [Metastockusers] Stock Option
> Hi all Metastock experts,
>
> Can anyone enlighten me how to make use of Metastock to trade on
> options. I own a Metastock ver 8.0, just recently upgraded from v7.2.
>
> Best Regards
> Freddie Ng
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 19:54:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Debra Ann Petitan <DrDAP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Stock Option
Hi Freddie,
I am a beginner in Trading and Investing. I do a lot of reading and I have
attended several seminars so I may sound like I am experienced, but I am
really not.
I would hesitate to give any advise because it would not be from an expert.
When I try out indicators on my charts, I really don't know if I have chosen
the best ones or not.
I am just beginning to learn how to use the System Back testing area of
MetaStock. I am learning about the best systems to use and trying to
understand all I should get from trying out the recommendations offered. I
don't do a lot of trading because I am trying to learn how without loosing
lots of money that I don't have.
Since you know how to use Option Scope, I will be able to ask you some
questions. The other program I mentioned is on www.Mantic.com. You will
find the program I mentioned there. It has everything one could need for
Option trading. There is even a section where you can write you own
strategy for trading options. I want to learn how to do that. I have just
come home from having major surgery on my Cervical Spine and throat. I am
recuperating so I have not spent a lot of time studying as I am looking
forward to doing. Maybe we can help each other.
Regards,
Debra Ann
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 20:16:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Debra Ann Petitan <DrDAP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Volume By Price Indicator
Larry,
Thank you for your detailed reply. I am learning about Trading and
Investing and I love using MetaStock while on this educational journey. I
don't know how to write nor interpret the Program you have written this is
why it is so helpful to include an explanation. There are some lines I know
how to read and as time passes, I will know how to read it all.
Debra Ann
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 11:15:07 +0800
From: Freddie Ng <n07476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: ODDSÂT Probability Cones
Hi Debra,
Thanks, Don Fishback is indeed found in Metastock explorer and Expert
advisor, I must be blind. However, I was looking for the Don Fishback in
the drop down indicator, as I had seen in website, I saw Don Fishback cone
superimposed on the stock chart. I want to see it graphically. So I need
the formula that plots the cone for input to the indicator builder. See
attachment below.
I ran the exploration on Don Fishback on some stocks, I have report that
identify stocks with low volatility, quite interesting and I will probably
go for more exploration on other stocks and pick a stock option to test it
out.
I have heard about Optionetics, it seems that they are specialized in
options. They use AdvanceGet to do the option analysis, have you heard of
it. I also heard that if you have completed the course, they allow
unlimited repeat of the course without additional fees. Are you planning to
subscribe to Optionetics.
odds.gif
Best Regards
Freddie Ng
At 07:32 PM 4/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Freddie,
>Use the Don Fishback exploration and then read what he has within the
>Scan. Maybe the formula is within the program.
>The Probability Cones are not part of the ODDS scan for tradable Options,
>on the surface. The principles are used but using Don Fishback's
>Exploration and the Expert Advisor are the specific parts of MetaStock I
>was speaking of. Also, Option Scope.
>I am learning about Options too. I just don't feel Optionetics is the
>only way to go.
>
>Good Trading,
>Debra Ann
>
>
>
>
>
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>I read about the ODDS" Probability Cones which is useful for option trade.
>Do you have the metastock formula ?
>
>Best Regards
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 00:24:28 -0300
From: "Pablo Paolucci" <micro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: ODDSÂT Probability Cones
Freddie,
i actually use advanced get more than i use metastock, i use metastock to
make intraday analysis and calculate custom formulas as hv or rvi
you must realize that ad get is not actually a techniccal analysis soft but
a complex trading system
BYe
----- Original Message -----
From: Freddie Ng
To: Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Metastockusers] ODDSÂT Probability Cones
Hi Debra,
Thanks, Don Fishback is indeed found in Metastock explorer and Expert
advisor, I must be blind. However, I was looking for the Don Fishback in the
drop down indicator, as I had seen in website, I saw Don Fishback cone
superimposed on the stock chart. I want to see it graphically. So I need the
formula that plots the cone for input to the indicator builder. See
attachment below.
I ran the exploration on Don Fishback on some stocks, I have report that
identify stocks with low volatility, quite interesting and I will probably
go for more exploration on other stocks and pick a stock option to test it
out.
I have heard about Optionetics, it seems that they are specialized in
options. They use AdvanceGet to do the option analysis, have you heard of
it. I also heard that if you have completed the course, they allow unlimited
repeat of the course without additional fees. Are you planning to subscribe
to Optionetics.
Best Regards
Freddie Ng
At 07:32 PM 4/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:
Hi Freddie,
Use the Don Fishback exploration and then read what he has within the
Scan. Maybe the formula is within the program.
The Probability Cones are not part of the ODDS scan for tradable
Options, on the surface. The principles are used but using Don Fishback's
Exploration and the Expert Advisor are the specific parts of MetaStock I was
speaking of. Also, Option Scope.
I am learning about Options too. I just don't feel Optionetics is the
only way to go.
Good Trading,
Debra Ann
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Hi Debra,
I read about the ODDS" Probability Cones which is useful for option
trade. Do you have the metastock formula ?
Best Regards
Freddie Ng
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 12:18:23 +0800
From: Freddie Ng <n07476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Stock Option
Pablo,
Thanks for the advise for buy/sell on volatility. You are right, the IV
high-low must have a base for reference, otherwise it is meaningless. If we
can have a historical volatility of the option IV, that should serve our
purpose, right ?. Apply IV/HV will then yield the ratio, if ratio <1, buy
and if ratio is >1 sell. Is this what you use ?
Thanks for the Meta HV formula, on comparison, I realize I had it
programmed in my indicator already. It was kind of you to point out that HV
is for stock and not on option. I would have taken it for option.
The IV indicator you mentioned is referring to the "option volatility" in
the indicator drop down menu ?
As for the Greeks, as an example, say you bought a call, its price will
rise dollar for dollar with the stock if delta is 1, if the delta is near
to zero, even if the stock gap up, you would not see any up price in
option. Such position should be disposed asap. Delta of 0.5 has the max
time value with no intrinsic value. If trade is against your direction, for
every dollar of stock decline, option will fall by 50cts. Direction is
abstract if we can forecast direction accurately, buy simple call and put
will be neat, forget about other complex strategies in options. Then we
will enjoy the leverage in options, less outlay and high % return. However,
volatility could override greeks.
Best Regards
Freddie Ng
----------
At 11:54 PM 4/7/2003 -0300, you wrote:
>I actually didnt mention specific options soft on account your request was
>related to metastock capabilities and use for options, the best options
>soft is optionvue, or you can use the web service of
><http://www.optionetics.com>www.optionetics.com.
>there is other site like <http://www.IVolatility.com>www.IVolatility.com
>forget about the greeks in my experience they dont add anything crucial to
>your trading, but volatility is crucial, this was the reason i used the
>ip/hv ratio when i was still investing in options in the american market
>mostly you must buy low volatility and sell (or write) high volatility,
>but the problem is high or low comparing to what, so i started to use the
>ratio to spot it fast, i dont have the exact code for the ratio with me,
>but you can find the iv indicator on metastock quick indicator list and
>for the hv i usethis formula:
>
>Std(Log(C/Ref(C,-1)),10)/Std(Log(C/Ref(C,-1)),100)
>
>make notice that while the implied is calculated based on the option price
>the hv is calculated on the underlying.
>
>about the group/industry ranked by their volatility, you can find in the
>sites mentioned by me and debra that infomation
>
>i never used it but optionetics is very much discussed and recommended
>inoptions boards and usenet groups, but as a rule you should check the
>cboe site
>
>Bye
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:n07476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Freddie Ng
>To: <mailto:Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 10:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [Metastockusers] Stock Option
>
>Pablo,
>
>Appreciate your valuable systematic explanation. Those points that you
>discussed were very important in option trading. If it can determine or
>anticipate the correct underlying direction, this info can then be used to
>interpret the option direction. Call follows underlying while Put is
>reverse. I also understand that not all indicators are suitable for each
>stock and Metastock can search and match the best indicator to optimized
>profit, I wonder if I had missed out anything in Metastock for option.
>
>Volatility(implied and Historical)
>Keen to know how you use these info to analyze the option. I am aware that
>one can lost trade due to volatility. You mentioned about use ratio of IV
>& HV, can you elaborate a little bit more. The option volatility indicator
>is for IV, how do you obtain HV in Metastock.
>Btw, do you have any good source where I can obtain the volatility info.
>Is there any such listing of group/industry ranked by their volatility.
>
>
>Best Regards
>Freddie Ng
>
>At 04:07 AM 4/5/2003 -0300, you wrote:
>>Freddie,
>>
>>on using metastock for options you have 2 problems
>>
>>1 Data problem
>>2 analysis problem
>>
>>1 since options trade for a short period, the problem arises, you cannot
>>make any analysis for a while, there is 2 ways around it : continuos
>>contracts (i tried them for a while , but they are not reliable in my
>>opnion), the alternative is using intraday data, so even if you can make
>>analysis on daily charts for a while, at least you can run intraday an.
>>
>>2 about the analysis:
>>you must keep an eye on the stock or whatever the option is for
>>then you can analyze the option itself by common tech an. tools
>>then you have to keep an eye on implied volaitity and hystorical
volatility,
>>for while i used a ratio between the implied volatility and hystorical
>>volatility
>>check the quick drop indicator youll find some options indicators
>>
>>Pablo
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "freddie_ng" <n07476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: <Metastockusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 2:00 AM
>>Subject: [Metastockusers] Stock Option
>>
>>
>> > Hi all Metastock experts,
>> >
>> > Can anyone enlighten me how to make use of Metastock to trade on
>> > options. I own a Metastock ver 8.0, just recently upgraded from v7.2.
>> >
>> > Best Regards
>> > Freddie Ng
>> >
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:25:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: Debra Ann Petitan <DrDAP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: ODDSÂT Probability Cones
Freddie,
I have taken the Optionetics class twice. I plan to retake it in May in
Chicago, where I live. The classes are very informative but when they begin
there high pressure sales on their products, I am turned off. The
subscriptions to all they offer are too costly. George Fontenills did not
make up these strategies or other areas of Options that he is teaching and I
have found other sites and people who do the same thing with less cost. The
OptionVue program is very nice but I feel for the average person not trading
Options for a business, that is too costly. The program is great. I won a
30 day free trial through CBOE and there is too much to learn in 30 days.
Just like MetaStock, there is too much to learn in 30 days.
I think Optionetics is very well marketed but all they present can be found
for a lesser price. The ODDS program can be subscribed to from Don
Fishback's web site. That is an excellent program where you enter the
%probabiltiy or your trades winning. As an example 90% of every trade I
make, I want it to be a winner. When you enter the Strike price, the Stock
price, and expiration date, it will tell you the probability of the trade
being profitable showing the Bell Shaped Curve. I took Don's seminar and
that program was given out. It is great. Check out his website.
www.donfishback.com.
Debra
I am glad you found the programs I was speaking of. Please share how you do
what you do so I can learn, too.
Debra
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:34:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: Debra Ann Petitan <DrDAP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: ODDSÂT Probability
Freddie,
I might add that Don does not feel the average person should do any other
strategies than spreads, straddles, and buying/selling puts and calls. He
said you cannot compete with the professionals with the other strategies
financially so you are wasting your money.
Some of the more exotic strategies are costly through commision when you
have 4 or 6 different legs and whatever else.
Debra
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Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:40:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Debra Ann Petitan <DrDAP@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Volume By Price Indicator
Hi,
Can you recommend a data feed, real time for MetaStock other than eSignal?
You can only download 50 stocks at a time and that is unacceptable.
would you also tell me the benefits of using a spreadsheet to view the data
on a stock. I am just learning and I want to try setting up a spreadsheet
then after I do that, I would like to know how to use it.
Thank you.
Debra Ann
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Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 12:57:01 +0800
From: Freddie Ng <n07476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Stock Option
----------
Debra,
----------
Nice of you to be frank, I am not expert either. I enjoy explore on
software and perform analysis. I am yet to find out more potential the
Metastock can provide.
----------
Meta system back testing is very interesting if you do it correctly. The
metastock will help you to match the stock to the best perform indicator,
sort out the profit in descending order and view the report with highest
profit and Metastock will plot buy sell arrows on chart for your actions.
See attachments reports I did on MSFT. There are several other reports
which I did not attach. This is an example, don't use it on real trade pls.
You are welcome to ask me questions on Optionscope, I will try my best to
answer you. Basically, it is an option calculator, however, it has the
capability to plot risk/reward graph from the data you entered.
----------
Sorry to learn about your major surgery on my Cervical Spine and throat. Is
this associated with your occupation or personal lifestyle. You need plenty
of rest, I mean less time on computer screen, unless you have excellent
support will doing your work on screen. The recent outbreak of SARS is
going to impact the global economy besides the War. Wonder when will this
be over.
I don't find anything in Mantic.com, you have specific URL link, I will try
again while awaiting your response.
----------
Best Regards
Freddie Ng At 07:54 PM 4/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi Freddie,
>
>I am a beginner in Trading and Investing. I do a lot of reading and I
>have attended several seminars so I may sound like I am experienced, but I
>am really not.
>
>I would hesitate to give any advise because it would not be from an expert.
>When I try out indicators on my charts, I really don't know if I have
>chosen the best ones or not.
>I am just beginning to learn how to use the System Back testing area of
>MetaStock. I am learning about the best systems to use and trying to
>understand all I should get from trying out the recommendations
>offered. I don't do a lot of trading because I am trying to learn how
>without loosing lots of money that I don't have.
>
>Since you know how to use Option Scope, I will be able to ask you some
>questions. The other program I mentioned is on www.Mantic.com. You will
>find the program I mentioned there. It has everything one could need for
>Option trading. There is even a section where you can write you own
>strategy for trading options. I want to learn how to do that. I have
>just come home from having major surgery on my Cervical Spine and
>throat. I am recuperating so I have not spent a lot of time studying as I
>am looking forward to doing. Maybe we can help each other.
>
>Regards,
>Debra Ann
>
>
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Message: 15
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:05:31 +0800
From: Freddie Ng <n07476@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: ODDSĂ,ÂT Probability
Debra,
I understand Don's comment, I don't do complex strategies yet as they are
costly to do so. We need good option forcasting tools to predict the option
direction in relation to the stock in an accurate manner, so that we can
use simple strategy to maximize return with lower outlay.
Btw, which brokerage are you using, what are their commission charges. I am
using Interactivebrokers , their commission is $1 per trade, no hidden
costs. This allows me to test trade at much lower cost compared to other
brokerage firm who charges far more.
Best Regards
Freddie Ng
----------
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>
>I might add that Don does not feel the average person should do any other
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>said you cannot compete with the professionals with the other strategies
>financially so you are wasting your money.
>
>Some of the more exotic strategies are costly through commision when you
>have 4 or 6 different legs and whatever else.
>
>Debra
>
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>Thanks, Don Fishback is indeed found in Metastock explorer and Expert
>advisor, I must be blind. However, I was looking for the Don Fishback in
>the drop down indicator, as I had seen in website, I saw Don Fishback cone
>superimposed on the stock chart. I want to see it graphically. So I need
>the formula that plots the cone for input to the indicator builder. See
>attachment below.
>
>I ran the exploration on Don Fishback on some stocks, I have report that
>identify stocks with low volatility, quite interesting and I will probably
>go for more exploration on other stocks and pick a stock option to test it
out.
>
>I have heard about Optionetics, it seems that they are specialized in
>options. They use AdvanceGet to do the option analysis, have you heard of
>it. I also heard that if you have completed the course, they allow
>unlimited repeat of the course without additional fees. Are you planning
>to subscribe to Optionetics.
>
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>At 07:32 PM 4/7/2003 -0700, you wrote:
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>>Hi Freddie,
>>Use the Don Fishback exploration and then read what he has within the
>>Scan. Maybe the formula is within the program.
>>The Probability Cones are not part of the ODDS scan for tradable Options,
>>on the surface. The principles are used but using Don Fishback's
>>Exploration and the Expert Advisor are the specific parts of MetaStock I
>>was speaking of. Also, Option Scope.
>>I am learning about Options too. I just don't feel Optionetics is the
>>only way to go.
>>
>>Good Trading,
>>Debra Ann
>>
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>>I read about the ODDS" Probability Cones which is useful for option
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