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Mike:
You are right. this should have been sent as a
private e-mail.
Lionel Issen<A
href="mailto:lissen@xxxxxxxxx";>lissen@xxxxxxxxx
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Michael Logan
To: <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:52
AM
Subject: Re: MS 7.2 upgrade A JOKE - Its
over folks!
Time to move on and spend our energy and time
productively on using 7.03 or 7.2 or whatever version to make money and enjoy
life.
Mike Logan
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Lionel Issen
To: <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 9:35
PM
Subject: Re: MS 7.2 upgrade A
JOKE
Michael Robb:
Your posting is a little unrealistic. Good
programmers BC, before the recent crash, were getting around $50 to $80 per
hour. I am not talking about what a payroll company might charge. With
the massive layoffs that have occurred, good programmers will accept lower
hourly rates.
A wise manager will pay for any service what it is
worth to him. It may be minimum wage or lawyers rates. In your discussion,
the manager should delegate operating the software to a competent
assistant. The manager's job is to manage, not running time consuming
computer programs. If the manager is frittering his money away, his bills
will catch up with him sooner or later.
Lionel Issen<A
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From:
Michael
Robb
To: <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 6:51
PM
Subject: Re: MS 7.2 upgrade A
JOKE
People need programming. Programmers, expert in
TA, cost $250/hr. Business men, nowdays, don't want to pay that much to an
employee. They might pay that much for lunch, but not for someone who
knows more than they do about the nifty little charting co. they just
bought.
Add it up: $250/hr. x 2000 hrs/yr. is
$500,000. Now you are talking about what he has to pay to get into that
important country club his wife has selected for him.
What we think they need is a VP & general
manager for Equis who understands how to listen to important users give
expert consultaion advise, completely free of charge, on net boards, and e
lists.
But, life, evidently, isn't like this in
business, today; because to do this the VP - Gen Mgr. will have to hire
two new people: One, the programmer at $259/hr., and then another expert
to explain to him what it all means.
The boss adds all this up in his head before
cocktails and sees an extra expense of over $1,000,000 million a year,
which is what his new boat was going to cost - and frankly, just says no.
No one, certainly, as low on the totem pole as anyone at equis, who reads
this, will successfully challange him on this matter.
Remains,
MR
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Ron Scott
To: <A
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001
5:13 PM
Subject: RE: MS 7.2 upgrade A
JOKE
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<SPAN
class=940565321-28032001>All I can say is I agree with you completely,
and I hope that Equis replies in detail to your questions and that you
will post it here. You have done a great job of expressing in a more
detailed way the thoughts I had in my earlier post.
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<SPAN
class=940565321-28032001>I'm not sure AIQ is that much better in terms
of listening to it's customers, at least since their aquisition by Track
Data (it seems all the big data companies want to buy a software
company, but don't know how to manage it--just like Reuters). However,
the price/value with AIQ is much better; $79.95 per month for real time
data and that includes the price of their software. Reuters wants
$64.95/month for data, and $200/month plus for E-Signal and
$1700 up front for the software! Metastock needs to get to work and
improve their product so it will benefit serious traders. We don't need
the marketing hype, and we don't need to be "milked" as you put
it.
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<SPAN
class=940565321-28032001>Sincerely-
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<SPAN
class=940565321-28032001>Ron Scott
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owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of John
RSent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:29 PMTo:
metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: MS 7.2 upgrade A
JOKE
Mickey,
I have to agree with you that on the
information I have seen to date V7.2 release looks poor value. After
reading the Equis PR release it was not clear to me what exactly was
new or improved from V7.03. I therefore emailed Equis support
yesterday and asked specifically:-
1. If System Tester now works across multiple
selected securities simultaneously.
2. If Internet integration feature is now
fully customisable by users (I am in UK so hard coded US site links
are useless to me).
3. Are the new 26 "Trading Systems" which are
included customisable by users or are they just closed black boxes
like many of the Experts shipped with Metastock.
4. Have any improvements been made to formula
language.
5. Is there a comprehesive list of all the
new features and improvements in V7.2 from V7.03 (not just a Press
Release).
When I get a reply will post info
here.
IMO Equis seem to have lost their
direction since the takeover by Reuters. They certainly
don't appear to be listening to what existing Metastock users want
(although they must be aware becuase they monitor this board and the
Yahoo Equis board). I suspect Equis are under increasing
commercial pressure from competitors like AIQ who have made big
inroads into the TA market. It now seems Equis are attempting to
milk their user base for easy revenue with successive minor
upgrade charges plus charging for various black box plug-ins/add-ons.
Personally I think the approach of closed black boxes and protected
Experts etc. is completelly at odds with the reason most users
buy Metastock i.e. to design, experiment and test their own trading
ideas. It also worries me that Equis has found it necessary to go
out to a 3rd party for these plug-ins etc. - why didn't they do the
development themselves?, what about the support
issues? Commercially Equis may be trying to make Metastock more
attractive to new users of TA software but this market is well
saturated already. I don't know why Equis don't just stick to the
traditional strengths of the MS product and concentrate on enhancing
it by LISTENING TO EXISTING USERS - then the product really would be
great. I also happen to use AIQ (no other connection other than
user) and they operate in almost complete contrast to Equis. They have
an excellent user group and beta test group plus the
developers are pro-active in encouraging input on new features
required. The AIQ product is not perfect (are they ever?) but they
have made enormous progress in the past 2 years by being open and
really listening to what user want and then making sure they have
delivered it. Apologies if this sounds like a plug for the AIQ
product - it's not meant to be (MS charting is better) - it's a
plug for the way the AIQ company does things.
IMHO one thing is for sure - if Equis do not
wake up soon there is only one direction they will be going (it aint
up) and that would be very sad for all us MS users.
John
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<A title=Michel.Amelinckx@xxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:Michel.Amelinckx@xxxxxxxxxx";>Michel Amelinckx
To: <A
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Metastock User List
(E-mail)
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001
7:04 PM
Subject: MS 7.2 upgrade A
JOKE
I believe if you have your own
systems the new MS upgrade is just an other joke. One thing
WOULD BE GREAT is the testing on multiple securities but wait before
you get too exited because I have the feeling this is only for those
new systems which they added. So I believe it's better to by
the add-on of Mr. DeBRY <A
href="http://www.debry.com/software_tools_and_services.htm And">http://www.debry.com/software_tools_and_services.htm
And most probably those new systems will be password protected
so experienced traders who would like to implement some things are
left in the cold. So I strongly belief apart those new systems
nothing is valuable. So people who don't have a GOOD system jet
to trade may have something with this. But I believe most
experienced traders have already their system and style. So would
this suggests that MS is pointing too the NEW inexperienced traders
and letting the old experienced traders out to dry. If this is
the case they should strongly change their adds in TASC and other
magazines.
Access the internet
within MetaStock, so you can view internet content side-by-side with
your MetaStock charts. Now you can access the
internet instantly from your chart’s shortcut menu and bring it
right up on your screen. Plus, MetaStock 7.2’s new Web
Resources feature lets you set up links to your favorites web
sites. Then, with the click of a mouse, MetaStock will access
up-to-the-minute information relating to your security, and display
it next to your chart.
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This is already possible
to add icons with WWW links in MS
Make your trades
online within MetaStock, anytime, anywhere. It’s
never be easier to trade online. Because now you can choose
the location within MetaStock 7.2 that’s most convenient for you,
with the Online Trading toolbar. MetaStock 7.2 works with
Preferred Trade and other web based trading sites.
Same thing I have already an
icons in MS so when I click on it I get to my order entry screen of
my broker
Refresh button is already
there
Maybe for users who use Data on
demand there are some new features, but anyone knows the best
value/money services are QuotesPlus and TC2000 so I don't care about
this thing what they are trying to push us in using.
If I see all this I believe this
is not AT ALL made BY LISTENING TO THE REAL USERS, the
traders. And for this I like to ask the MS EOD USERS (not
sales or tech people of MS) on this list what you thing
about all this.
Greetings
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