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Re: MS 7.2 upgrade A JOKE



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People need programming. Programmers, expert in TA, 
cost $250/hr. Business men, nowdays, don't want to pay that much to an employee. 
They might pay that much for lunch, but not for someone who knows more than they 
do about the nifty little charting co. they just bought. 
 
Add it up: $250/hr. x 2000 hrs/yr. is $500,000. 
Now you are talking about what he has to pay to get into that important country 
club his wife has selected for him.
 
What we think they need is a VP & general manager 
for Equis who understands how to listen to important users give expert 
consultaion advise, completely free of charge, on net boards, and e lists. 

 
But,  life, evidently, isn't like this in 
business, today; because to do this the VP - Gen Mgr. will have to hire two new 
people: One, the programmer at $259/hr., and then another expert to explain to 
him what it all means. 
 
The boss adds all this up in his head before cocktails 
and sees an extra expense of over $1,000,000 million a year, which is what his 
new boat was going to cost - and frankly, just says no. No one, certainly, as 
low on the totem pole as anyone at equis, who reads this, will successfully 
challange him on this matter.
 
Remains,
 
MR
 
 
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: 
  Ron Scott 
  To: <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 5:13 
  PM
  Subject: RE: MS 7.2 upgrade A JOKE
  
  <SPAN 
  class=940565321-28032001>John-
  <SPAN 
  class=940565321-28032001> 
  All 
  I can say is I agree with you completely, and I hope that Equis replies in 
  detail to your questions and that you will post it here. You have done a great 
  job of expressing in a more detailed way the thoughts I had in my earlier 
  post. 
  <SPAN 
  class=940565321-28032001> 
  I'm 
  not sure AIQ is that much better in terms of listening to it's customers, at 
  least since their aquisition by Track Data (it seems all the big data 
  companies want to buy a software company, but don't know how to manage 
  it--just like Reuters). However, the price/value with AIQ is much better; 
  $79.95 per month for real time data and that includes the price of their 
  software. Reuters wants $64.95/month for data, and $200/month 
  plus for E-Signal and $1700 up front for the software! Metastock needs to 
  get to work and improve their product so it will benefit serious traders. We 
  don't need the marketing hype, and we don't need to be "milked" as you put 
  it.  
  <SPAN 
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  <SPAN 
  class=940565321-28032001>Sincerely-
  <SPAN 
  class=940565321-28032001> 
  Ron 
  Scott
   
  
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    face=Tahoma>-----Original Message-----From: 
    owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On 
    Behalf Of John RSent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:29 
    PMTo: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: MS 7.2 
    upgrade A JOKE
    Mickey,
     
    I have to agree with you that on the 
    information I have seen to date V7.2 release looks poor value. After reading 
    the Equis PR release it was not clear to me what exactly was new or improved 
    from V7.03. I therefore emailed Equis support yesterday and asked 
    specifically:-
    1. If System Tester now works across multiple 
    selected securities simultaneously.
    2. If Internet integration feature is now fully 
    customisable by users (I am in UK so hard coded US site links are useless to 
    me).
    3. Are the new 26 "Trading Systems" which are 
    included customisable by users or are they just closed black boxes like many 
    of the Experts shipped with Metastock.
    4. Have any improvements been made to formula 
    language.
    5. Is there a comprehesive list of all the new 
    features and improvements in V7.2 from V7.03 (not just a Press 
    Release).
    When I get a reply will post info 
here.
     
    IMO Equis seem to have lost their 
    direction since the takeover by Reuters. They certainly don't 
    appear to be listening to what existing Metastock users want (although they 
    must be aware becuase they monitor this board and the Yahoo Equis 
    board). I suspect Equis are under increasing commercial pressure from 
    competitors like AIQ who have made big inroads into the TA market. It now 
    seems Equis are attempting to milk their user base for easy 
    revenue with successive minor upgrade charges plus charging for various 
    black box plug-ins/add-ons. Personally I think the approach of closed black 
    boxes and protected Experts etc. is completelly at odds with the reason 
    most users buy Metastock i.e. to design, experiment and test their own 
    trading ideas. It also worries me that Equis has found it necessary to 
    go out to a 3rd party for these plug-ins etc. - why didn't they do the 
    development themselves?, what about the support issues? Commercially 
    Equis may be trying to make Metastock more attractive to new users of TA 
    software but this market is well saturated already. I don't know why 
    Equis don't just stick to the traditional strengths of the MS product 
    and concentrate on enhancing it by LISTENING TO EXISTING USERS - then the 
    product really would be great. I also happen to use AIQ (no other 
    connection other than user) and they operate in almost complete contrast to 
    Equis. They have an excellent user group and beta test group plus the 
    developers are pro-active in encouraging input on new features 
    required. The AIQ product is not perfect (are they ever?) but they have made 
    enormous progress in the past 2 years by being open and really listening to 
    what user want and then making sure they have delivered it. Apologies if 
    this sounds like a plug for the AIQ product - it's not meant to be (MS 
    charting is better) - it's a plug for the way the AIQ company does 
    things.
     
    IMHO one thing is for sure - if Equis do not wake 
    up soon there is only one direction they will be going (it aint up) and 
    that would be very sad for all us MS users.
     
    John
     
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      <DIV 
      style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: 
      <A title=Michel.Amelinckx@xxxxxxxxxx 
      href="mailto:Michel.Amelinckx@xxxxxxxxxx";>Michel Amelinckx 
      To: <A title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Metastock User List (E-mail) 
      
      Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 7:04 
      PM
      Subject: MS 7.2 upgrade A JOKE
      
      I believe if you have your own systems 
      the new MS upgrade is just an other joke.  One thing WOULD BE GREAT 
      is the testing on multiple securities but wait before you get too exited 
      because I have the feeling this is only for those new systems which they 
      added.  So I believe it's better to by the add-on of Mr. DeBRY  
      <A 
      href="http://www.debry.com/software_tools_and_services.htm       And">http://www.debry.com/software_tools_and_services.htm       
      And most probably those new systems will be password protected so 
      experienced traders who would like to implement some things are left in 
      the cold.  So I strongly belief apart those new systems nothing is 
      valuable. So people who don't have a GOOD system jet to trade may 
      have something with this.  But I believe most experienced traders 
      have already their system and style. So would this suggests that MS is 
      pointing too the NEW inexperienced traders and letting the old experienced 
      traders out to dry.  If this is the case they should strongly change 
      their adds in TASC and other magazines.
       
      Access the internet within 
      MetaStock, so you can view internet content side-by-side with your 
      MetaStock charts. Now you can access the internet 
      instantly from your chart&#8217;s shortcut menu and bring it right up on your 
      screen.  Plus, MetaStock 7.2&#8217;s new Web Resources feature lets 
      you set up links to your favorites web sites.  Then, with the click 
      of a mouse, MetaStock will access up-to-the-minute information relating to 
      your security, and display it next to your 
      chart.  
       
      This is already possible to add 
      icons with WWW links in MS
       
       Make your trades online 
      within MetaStock, anytime, anywhere.  It&#8217;s never be easier 
      to trade online.  Because now you can choose the location within 
      MetaStock 7.2 that&#8217;s most convenient for you, with the Online Trading 
      toolbar.  MetaStock 7.2 works with Preferred Trade and other web 
      based trading sites. 
       
      Same thing I have already an icons in 
      MS so when I click on it I get to my order entry screen of my 
      broker
       
      Refresh button is already 
      there
       
      Maybe for users who use Data on demand 
      there are some new features, but anyone knows the best value/money 
      services are QuotesPlus and TC2000 so I don't care about this thing what 
      they are trying to push us in using.
       
      If I see all this I believe this is 
      not AT ALL made BY LISTENING TO THE REAL USERS, the traders.  And for 
      this I like to ask the MS EOD USERS (not sales or tech people of 
      MS) on this list what you thing about all this.
       
      Greetings
       

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