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Neural Networks several years ago and could never achieve any real practical
results.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>I haven&#8217;t heard about
many neural network success stories, but if you find one, let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jeffrey Huck<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, May 13, 2000 7:30
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Neural Networks</span></font></p>

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face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Would
anyone care to share&nbsp;some good references on neural network use in
predicting stock prices?&nbsp; Especially any specific applications.&nbsp; I'd
also be interested in anyone's personal experience in using ANN technology in
the market.&nbsp; From what I've read in introductory texts it almost sounds
too good to be true.</span></font><font color=black><span style='color:black;
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From: "Jeff Ledermann" <j.ledermann@xxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Nov. Beans Seasonal Trade
Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 19:59:49 +1000
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List,

Anyone giving the Nov. Soybean seasonal trade described in 
Feb. 2000 TASC a go this year?

My backtesting seems to confirm the authors analysis.
I tested it on the 89-99 contracts and got 8 wins v. 2 losses.
Avg. win      = 60pts
Largest win  = 95pts
Largest loss = 66pts
Largest winning drawdown = 45pts
The drawdown figure implies a $2500 money management stop
is required.

My system test code is appended if anyone is interested.
For general amusement I'll let the list know how it goes this year.

Jeff.

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Enter Short
-----------------
InSeason:=(DayOfMonth()>=15 AND Month()=5) OR Month()=6 OR Month()=7;
ShortEntry:=InSeason AND (Ref(L,-1)<=Ref(LLV(L,16),-2)-1.5);
ShortEntry

Exit Short
---------------
InSeason:=(DayOfMonth()>=15 AND Month()=5) OR Month()=6 OR Month()=7;
ShortEntry:=InSeason AND (Ref(L,-1)<=Ref(LLV(L,16),-2)-1.5);
{DEFINE ENTRY PRICE, WITH EXIT BEING -ENTRY PRICE AND NO TRADE BEING 0}
TrailingStop:=Ref(HHV(HIGH,11),-1)+0.25;
EntryPrice:= If(PREV <= 0,
   {Trade entered today?}
   If(ShortEntry, OPEN, 0),
   {Trade entered before today. Stopped today?}
    If(DayOfMonth()>=13 AND Month()>=8,-PREV,
    If(ValueWhen(1,PREV=0,OPEN) > TrailingStop,
      If(HIGH >= TrailingStop,-PREV,PREV),
      If(HIGH >= ValueWhen(1,PREV=0,Ref(HHV(HIGH,5),-1)+0.25),-PREV,PREV))));

{EXIT IF ENTRY PRICE < 0 (MEANING EXIT)}
EntryPrice < 0