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<DIV>Look at "Profit 2000" from <A 
href="http://www.biocompsystems.com";>http://www.biocompsystems.com</A></DIV>
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<DIV>In my opinion, the best NN package, with the best support anywhere.&nbsp; 
Caution, be prepared for a long learning curve.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>jim</DIV>
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  Guy Tann </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx"; 
  title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, May 14, 2000 12:09 AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: Neural Networks</DIV>
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  style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt">Tried 
  Neural Networks several years ago and could never achieve any real practical 
  results.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I haven&#8217;t heard about 
  many neural network success stories, but if you find one, let me 
  know.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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  style="COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Paranoia...you only have to be right once 
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  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> <A 
  href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> 
  [mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On 
  Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Jeffrey Huck<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Saturday, May 13, 2000 7:30 
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 
  metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Neural 
Networks</SPAN></FONT></P>
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  size=2><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Would 
  anyone care to share&nbsp;some good references on neural network use in 
  predicting stock prices?&nbsp; Especially any specific applications.&nbsp; I'd 
  also be interested in anyone's personal experience in using ANN technology in 
  the market.&nbsp; From what I've read in introductory texts it almost sounds 
  too good to be true.</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=black><SPAN 
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From: "Ross Kovacs" <rossrk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Linda Bradford Raschke has the most appropriate comment on Neural Nets that
I have seen so far: The big institutions spent tons of money on Ph.D.s and
in trading when Neural Nets were first introduced to trading.  None of them
were successful.  If you think you can be successful where they haven't
been, by all means do it.  Personally, I believe that Neural Nets will
eventually be quite valuable in trading.  But no one has found a way yet.  I
seem to remember Mark Jurik having interesting comments on Neural Nets and
their use in trading at his web site www.jurikres.com .  But I can't find it
there now.  Mark occasionally monitors this list.  Mark... if my memory is
correct, could you point some people to the appropriate place?  I found
Mark's section on Snake Oil to be especially accurate and amusing.


Ross Kovacs

rossrk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx