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I do agree with Lionel & MTG about Steve, and I'm sorry to be a
little out of the way to attend to his seminars.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
gg<br>
<br>
At 12:24 PM 03/07/2000 -0500, you wrote:<br>
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<font face="arial" size=2>I attended the Metastock seminar in Houston,
TX. It was good, but the presenter did not give the additional
goodies that Steve gave at his.</font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I agree with you. Steve is one of the
people who have helped all of us.</font><br>
Lionel Issen<br>
lissen@xxxxxxxxx<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>----- Original Message ----- <br>
<b>From:</b> MTG <br>
<b>To:</b>
metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 01, 2000 3:46 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Enough whining from "Me too and the Gimmee-gimmees"<br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>sheesh I really cant believe this everyone complains when people don't go out of their way and yet when Steve does all he seems to get for it is grief grief and more grief I for one am grateful to Steve for his postings and information . I haven't used all of it but I did find some things very useful I wasn't at the metastock seminars but would like to hear about them if Steve has the time and interest but come on folks lets get off his case </font><br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>----- Original Message ----- <br>
<b>From:</b> Steve Karnish <br>
<b>To:</b> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 01, 2000 11:26 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Enough whining from "Me too and the Gimmee-gimmees"<br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Paula,</font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I accept your apology. The system was offered to everyone on this forum and anyone who asked kindly. I gave out rules, regs, and formulas to all non-weiners & non-whiners. I've conducted eight seminars in the past two weeks in Vancouver, Seattle, SF and San Jose. The seminars were all "free". And again, the information was disseminated for free. </font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Many seminar attendees have informed me that the seminar "changed their trading approach". Kudos continue to roll in. I was supported in the field by six Equis employees and many of them are now using my "signature" approach to trade their portfolios in the equities markets. In fact, Equis modeled my presentation and used it in an additional 16 seminars during the last few weeks. </font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I am a self promoting, entrepreneurial, sarcastic, system designing, trader who appreciates equity. I've given a "whole bunch" over the years. Reviewing your contributions during the past year reveals that you are on the "demand" side of the forum and not the "supply" side. Paula, if you can name one of your contributions (to the list) or supply the forum with some knowledge that will help anyone trade in the future...I will consider supplying you with this "free" information. </font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I guess as soon as I start charging (the big bucks), folks like you will line up. "If the seminar cost 5k, it must me great". Why don't you wait for my $495 MetaStock add-on package. It will be out soon and you can have the distinction of purchasing the first "box". </font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Again, thanks for the apology...at least you realize that something might have slipped by your critical eyes. Many of my "content" posts are public at Daryl Guppy's site. Also, Paritech (the Austrailian trainning company) will be using my approach in twelve training sessions, in July and August, in the western states. And, I'll be on the road this fall with FREE seminars in the southeast (North and South Carolina). Current password holders, at my site, will enjoy a nice "free ride" when recommendations become "pay-for-view" (within the month). During the past three years, many people (on this forum) have contributed to my overall efforts and these folks will be rewarded handsomely during the next few months. I'll be waiting for your next contribution (criticism).</font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Leaving for Montana (something to do about a "dental floss farm"),</font><br>
<br>
Steve Karnish<br>
Cedar Creek Trading<br>
http://www.cedarcreektrading.com<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>----- Original Message ----- <br>
<b>From:</b> Paula <br>
<b>To:</b> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 01, 2000 7:47 AM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Enough with the Teaser email from CCT<br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Hi: </font><br>
I am missing the point of these types of messages to the group. If you are going to post these types of results from some seminar then why don't you give all everyone on the Metastock list the same systems extended in the seminar. Perhaps many members of the group have not had seminars in their area etc and could not avail themselves of your services.<br>
If there is a fee for these systems then tell people you are charging for this,but don't just throw it up there and let people flounder.<br>
I just returned from a very costly but worthwhile seminar where proprietary trading info was given. The trader giving the seminar made us pay for this info and has left it at that.<br>
Either tell people results,offer them the info or give them the option to pay for the systems or don't bother. Just my opinion on this type of list to the group. If I have missed posting of the systems I apologize,If not...<br>
Paula<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>----- Original Message ----- <br>
<b>From:</b> Steve Karnish <br>
<b>To:</b> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 30, 2000 5:19 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: EMINI BUY<br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Guy,</font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Good luck next week. I'm off to Montana to enjoy some fresh water fishing, sailing, and boating. Lake Flathead is the largest body of freshwater west of the Mississippi...but, I mere "splash in the bucket" compared to what we are used to. When I return, I will tell you about the eight seminars I conducted. The emails continue to roll in...here's a teaser from this morning:</font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>"On June 17, 2000 I attended the MetaStock training session and received a<br>
floppy disk with two of you trading systems on it. As well hearing you<br>
explain your trading system to the group. I have traded your system using<br>
your formulas in MetaStock and you Internet picks for the last seven trading<br>
days. The results have been great with a $14,536.42 profit from the stock<br>
market so far. "</font><br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Happy 4th,</font><br>
<br>
Steve Karnish<br>
Cedar Creek Trading<br>
http://www.cedarcreektrading.com<br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>----- Original Message ----- <br>
<b>From:</b> Guy Tann <br>
<b>To:</b> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 30, 2000 2:19 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: EMINI BUY<br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080">Steve,<br>
</font><br>
<br>
<br>
I hope you re right. We re long from 1467 and 1471, but that doesn t concern me as much as my equity positions. While I m not margined, I was still down 10% on these stocks (thanks ValueLine since our own picks did better than ValueLine s this time). I made back one third of my equity losses today. Only need two more days like today and I ll be more than happy. Those semi stocks finally came back a tad.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
We re running nine out of the last 10 trades correct, with the only loser being a 2 pointer on our May 9 buy, but that doesn t include the couple of big losses we had. Overall, we re 16 out of 19 going back to last October, but your system is substantially different than ours. We usually never add to our positions (I say usually because we ve been known to do it on the equity side). We simply initiate our positions when we originate our trade and wait for the next signal in order to reverse.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<font color="#000080">Guy<br>
</font><br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times" color="#000080"> <br>
</font><br>
Paranoia...you only have to be right once to make it all worthwhile!<br>
<br>
<font face="arial" size=2 color="#000080"> <br>
</font><br>
<font face="tahoma" size=2>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b>From:</b> owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [<b>On Behalf Of </b>Steve Karnish<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 30, 2000 8:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<br>
<b>Subject:</b> EMINI BUY<br>
</font><br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times"> <br>
</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>List,<br>
</font><br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times"> <br>
</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Cedar Creek Trading has issued a "Slow MO" buying signal this morning (for the Sept. S&P) and filled opening orders in the 1456.5 - 1456.75 range. This approach is "used by and accounted for" in many trading accounts and is currently riding a nine trade winning streak. <br>
</font><br>
<font face="Times New Roman, Times"> <br>
</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Steve Karnish<br>
Cedar Creek Trading<br>
http://www.cedarcreektrading.com</font></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></html>
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Subject: Re: Enough whining from "Me too and the Gimmee-gimmees"
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I guess that I just fail to see why so many people
seem to get on Steve;s ass when he try's to help people out with various things.
I have spoken with him on the phone and have found him to be very open and
outgoing and willing to give advice what with all
the worthless chumps on email these days Steve seems to shine like a true candle
in the darkness so when he posts something I think that if
someone doesn't feel like reading it then they should just delete it rather than
sending some nasty and stupid reply </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mike</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE
style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A href="mailto:giancarlogaydou@xxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=giancarlogaydou@xxxxxxxxxxxx>g.g.</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";
title=metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 04, 2000 1:51
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Enough whining from "Me too
and the Gimmee-gimmees"</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I do agree with Lionel & MTG about Steve, and I'm sorry to
be a little out of the way to attend to his seminars.<BR><BR>Best
regards<BR>gg<BR><BR>At 12:24 PM 03/07/2000 -0500, you wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite">"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =
"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word"> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>I
attended the Metastock seminar in Houston, TX. It was good, but the
presenter did not give the additional goodies that Steve gave at
his.</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>I agree with you.
Steve is one of the people who have helped all of us.</FONT><BR>Lionel
Issen<BR>lissen@xxxxxxxxx<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite">----- Original Message ----- <BR><B>From:</B>
MTG <BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 01, 2000 3:46 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Enough whining from "Me too and the Gimmee-gimmees"<BR><BR><FONT
face=arial size=2>sheesh I really cant believe this everyone
complains when people don't go out of their way and yet when Steve does
all he seems to get for it is grief grief and more grief I for
one am grateful to Steve for his postings and information . I haven't used
all of it but I did find some things very useful I wasn't at
the metastock seminars but would like to hear about them if
Steve has the time and interest but come on folks
lets get off his case </FONT><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite">----- Original Message -----
<BR><B>From:</B> Steve Karnish
<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 01, 2000 11:26 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
Enough whining from "Me too and the Gimmee-gimmees"<BR><BR><FONT
face=arial size=2>Paula,</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>I
accept your apology. The system was offered to everyone on this
forum and anyone who asked kindly. I gave out rules, regs, and
formulas to all non-weiners & non-whiners. I've conducted
eight seminars in the past two weeks in Vancouver, Seattle, SF and San
Jose. The seminars were all "free". And again, the
information was disseminated for free. </FONT><BR> <BR><FONT
face=arial size=2>Many seminar attendees have informed me that the
seminar "changed their trading approach". Kudos continue to roll
in. I was supported in the field by six Equis employees and many
of them are now using my "signature" approach to trade their portfolios
in the equities markets. In fact, Equis modeled my
presentation and used it in an additional 16 seminars during the last
few weeks. </FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>I am a
self promoting, entrepreneurial, sarcastic, system designing, trader who
appreciates equity. I've given a "whole bunch" over the years.
Reviewing your contributions during the past year reveals that you are
on the "demand" side of the forum and not the "supply" side.
Paula, if you can name one of your contributions (to the list) or supply
the forum with some knowledge that will help anyone trade in the
future...I will consider supplying you with this "free"
information. </FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>I guess
as soon as I start charging (the big bucks), folks like you will line
up. "If the seminar cost 5k, it must me great". Why don't
you wait for my $495 MetaStock add-on package. It will be out soon
and you can have the distinction of purchasing the first "box".
</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>Again, thanks for the
apology...at least you realize that something might have slipped by your
critical eyes. Many of my "content" posts are public at Daryl
Guppy's site. Also, Paritech (the Austrailian trainning company)
will be using my approach in twelve training sessions, in July and
August, in the western states. And, I'll be on the road this fall
with FREE seminars in the southeast (North and South Carolina).
Current password holders, at my site, will enjoy a nice "free ride" when
recommendations become "pay-for-view" (within the month). During
the past three years, many people (on this forum) have contributed to my
overall efforts and these folks will be rewarded handsomely during the
next few months. I'll be waiting for your next contribution
(criticism).</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>Leaving for
Montana (something to do about a "dental floss
farm"),</FONT><BR> <BR>Steve Karnish<BR>Cedar Creek Trading<BR><A
href="http://www.cedarcreektrading.com";>http://www.cedarcreektrading.com</A><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite">----- Original Message -----
<BR><B>From:</B> Paula
<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 01, 2000 7:47 AM<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Enough with the Teaser email from CCT<BR><BR><FONT face=arial
size=2>Hi: </FONT><BR> I am missing the point of these
types of messages to the group. If you are going to post these types
of results from some seminar then why don't you give all everyone on
the Metastock list the same systems extended in the seminar. Perhaps
many members of the group have not had seminars in their area etc and
could not avail themselves of your services.<BR> If there
is a fee for these systems then tell people you are charging for
this,but don't just throw it up there and let people
flounder.<BR> I just returned from a very costly but
worthwhile seminar where proprietary trading info was given. The
trader giving the seminar made us pay for this info and has left it at
that.<BR> Either tell people results,offer them the info
or give them the option to pay for the systems or don't bother. Just
my opinion on this type of list to the group. If I have missed posting
of the systems I apologize,If not...<BR>Paula<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite">----- Original Message -----
<BR><B>From:</B> <A href="mailto:kernish@xxxxxxxxxxxx";>Steve
Karnish</A> <BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 30, 2000 5:19 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Re: EMINI BUY<BR><BR><FONT face=arial
size=2>Guy,</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>Good luck
next week. I'm off to Montana to enjoy some fresh water
fishing, sailing, and boating. Lake Flathead is the largest
body of freshwater west of the Mississippi...but, I mere "splash in
the bucket" compared to what we are used to. When I return, I
will tell you about the eight seminars I conducted. The emails
continue to roll in...here's a teaser from this
morning:</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial size=2>"On June 17,
2000 I attended the MetaStock training session and received
a<BR>floppy disk with two of you trading systems on it. As
well hearing you<BR>explain your trading system to the group.
I have traded your system using<BR>your formulas in MetaStock and
you Internet picks for the last seven trading<BR>days. The
results have been great with a $14,536.42 profit from the
stock<BR>market so far. "</FONT><BR> <BR><FONT face=arial
size=2>Happy 4th,</FONT><BR> <BR>Steve
Karnish<BR>Cedar Creek Trading<BR><A
href="http://www.cedarcreektrading.com";>http://www.cedarcreektrading.com</A><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite">----- Original Message -----
<BR><B>From:</B> Guy Tann
<BR><B>To:</B> <A
href="mailto:metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 30, 2000 2:19 PM<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: EMINI BUY<BR><BR><FONT color=#000080 face=arial
size=2>Steve,<BR></FONT><BR> <BR><BR>I hope you re
right. We re long from 1467 and 1471, but that doesn t
concern me as much as my equity positions. While I m not
margined, I was still down 10% on these stocks (thanks ValueLine
since our own picks did better than ValueLine s this time).
I made back one third of my equity losses today. Only need
two more days like today and I ll be more than happy. Those
semi stocks finally came back a tad.<BR><BR> <BR><BR>We re
running nine out of the last 10 trades correct, with the only
loser being a 2 pointer on our May 9 buy, but that doesn t include
the couple of big losses we had. Overall, we re 16 out of 19
going back to last October, but your system is substantially
different than ours. We usually never add to our positions
(I say usually because we ve been known to do it on the equity
side). We simply initiate our positions when we originate
our trade and wait for the next signal in order to
reverse.<BR><BR> <BR><BR><FONT
color=#000080>Guy<BR></FONT><BR><FONT color=#000080
face="Times New Roman, Times"> <BR></FONT><BR>Paranoia...you
only have to be right once to make it all worthwhile!<BR><BR><FONT
color=#000080 face=arial size=2> <BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face=tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [<A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%5DOn";
eudora="autourl">mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]</A><A
href="mailto:owner-metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx%5DOn";
eudora="autourl"><B>On</A> Behalf Of </B>Steve
Karnish<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 30, 2000 8:26
AM<BR><B>To:</B> metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B>Subject:</B> EMINI
BUY<BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman, Times"> <BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face=arial size=2>List,<BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman, Times"> <BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face=arial size=2>Cedar Creek Trading has issued a "Slow MO"
buying signal this morning (for the Sept. S&P) and filled
opening orders in the 1456.5 - 1456.75 range. This approach
is "used by and accounted for" in many trading accounts and is
currently riding a nine trade winning streak.
<BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face="Times New Roman, Times"> <BR></FONT><BR><FONT
face=arial size=2>Steve Karnish<BR>Cedar Creek Trading<BR><A
href="http://www.cedarcreektrading.com";>http://www.cedarcreektrading.com</A></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/did/20821
Hi, at the above link there is some interesting reading about the subject:
Predictable Patterns in Stock Returns Thomas Hellstrom and Kenneth
Holmstrom Center of Mathematical Modeling (CMM) Department of
Using a Rank Measure for Predictions of Stock Returns 1 Thomas Hellstrom
Center of Mathematical Modeling (CMM) Department of
How to Shift Bias Submitted to Evolutionary Computation July 15, 1996 1 How
to Shift Bias: Lessons from the Baldwin Effect Peter
Feedforward and Recurrent Neural Networks and Genetic Programs for Stock
Market and Time Series Forecasting (1993) Peter C. McCluskey
Predictable Patterns in Stock Returns Thomas Hellstrom and Kenneth
Holmstrom Center of Mathematical Modeling (CMM) Department of
Evaluating Neural Network Predictors by Bootstrapping (1994) Blake
LeBaron Department of Economics University of Wisconsin 1180
Best regards
gg
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