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Richard,
This is not posted to the list for obvious reasons.
I greatly admire you.
You write well. You usually make cogent arguments. You certainly know far
more about investing than I do. And I trust you to be consistent and
logicial.
I don't mind that I disagree with you strongly in politics. The whole
point, I think, of a democracy is that we vote because we understand that
there can be disagreements.
However. Just for your information. I'm 58 years old and have MY lifetime
of experience and study to work with. Your statements about the Clinton
debacle don't match up with my analysis. I don't need to go into the
reasons. Suffice to say, I've done my homework. I'm not saying you
haven't, far from it. I believe you, of all people have.
The point is this: isn't there some way for people like you, and like me,
for that matter, to come to the point where we can have a relatively civil
argument without giving the opposition absolutely no room to stand on?
You are extremely general in your criticisms of the political left, I
probably know the details of course, and the details I've heard don't
convince me. So how are we to have a sane political society if each side
keeps hurling glittering generalities at the other?
Within the past 10 years in modern theories of the Big Bang, controversy
arose over whether the red shift really WAS due to expansion of the
universe. Their were some very convincing arguments against expansion, and
some convincing alternatives. The discussion is still alive, but most now
agree that expansion is true. During the height of the arguments, it is
true that many egotistic positions and ad hominem arguments were used.
Usually, however, most of the parties involved tried to present their
rational ideas and let others make up their own minds.
Your statements about Clinton lying about everything remind me of myself
stating the same thing about Nixon, Reagan and Bush, and Johnson also. I
didn't write these statements, I said them in social conversation, only
sometimes for the purpose of conversation, usually to silence the other. I
have very good reasons for thinking these men were liars, and I don't want
to open such a conversation with you. Unless we had a lot of time and were
facing each other in person, I just don't see the point.
I again ask you, if you're going to publicly assert your views on this list,
a list that you yourself said had seen enough of this, couldn't you try to
state them in such a way that you have SOME respect for the opposition?
Of course, if you have NO respect for opposing viewpoints, then I've misread
you. If you think a healthy society is composed of all right wing
Republicans, or at least a huge majority of them, then this nation is truly
in deep trouble. Not because of the folly of one or a handful of leaders,
but because the discourse of ideas can not take place. I hope that I've not
misread you.
In any case, I want to repeat, I've always felt privileged to read your
investing ideas, and have usually enjoyed to hear your political views,
however much I disagree.
With respect,
George Van Noy
jorxj@xxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Estes <rtestes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: "The Seduction of a President" by Kenneth Starr
>I wondered, who the polls were calling. Now I know. We shouldn't take up
any
>more space here. But I would note two things if Clinton and others lied in
>whitewater, filegate, travelgate, and fundsgate like they did in
Zippergate.
>It would be very hard to bring forward, what anyone could see was crooked
>actions on their part. The man has lied all his life, he has never uttered
>the truth about anything, period.
>
>Zippergate was turned over to Starr by AG Reno and a three judge panel.
When
>the judges in the phoney appeals cases by clinton saw the evidence, they
>decided in Starr's favor.
>
>No, Republicans have no plans to increase the socialist aspects of our
>government. That is why I like them, I believe in capitalism.
>
>Richard Estes
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lionel Issen <lissen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; EMail List FastTrack
><fasttrack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Al Angle <jangle@xxxxxxxx>; John Aupperle
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><mwhod@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Marketspace Financial <marketspac@xxxxxxx>; Don
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>Cc: Al Angle <jangle@xxxxxxxx>; John Aupperle <JAupp@xxxxxxx>; Scott
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><clemray@xxxxxxx>; Mike Hasket <ellmic1@xxxxxxxx>; Pamela E. Hinchey
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Frank
>Tarr, OD <FTARR@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 4:37 PM
>Subject: Re: "The Seduction of a President" by Kenneth Starr
>
>
>>Bill:
>>
>>On the one hand you have a point or two.
>>
>>On the other hand the Republicans have no program, no policy, and no plans
>>for dealing with our domestic, economic, military, and foreign policy
>>problems.
>>
>>This "lets get Clinton for screwing around" is like Hitler blaming the
>Jews,
>>Stalin blaming the capitalists, the KKK blaming Blacks, Jews, and
>Hispanics,
>>the Ayatollah blaming the Americans.. need I go on. Finding a scapegoat
>>beats thinking and working to solve our problems each and every time.
>>
>>The investigation started with Whitewater, nothing was found. So we did
>>find that Clinton has his brains hanging out. Incidentally one of our
>most
>>lecherous presidents was a republican, so what.
>>
>>This so-called investigation and report has made us the laughing stock of
>>the world and has seriously weakened our influence and ability to
influence
>>events. It will also weaken the ability and power of presidents in the
>>future, no matter what party they belong to.
>>
>>Kenneth Starr has done his party and our country a great diservice.
>>
>>Lionel
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Bill Saxon <bsaxon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>To: EMail List FastTrack <fasttrack@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; EMail List Metastock
>><metastock@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Al Angle <jangle@xxxxxxxx>; John Aupperle
>><JAupp@xxxxxxx>; Scott Brandau <sbrandau@xxxxxxxx>; Stan Ellison
>><BSEllison@xxxxxxx>; Clem Gagne <clemray@xxxxxxx>; Mike Hasket
>><ellmic1@xxxxxxxx>; Pamela E. Hinchey <spamette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Mike
>Hodges
>><mwhod@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Marketspace Financial <marketspac@xxxxxxx>; Don
>>Potter <djp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Andy Pracht <pracht@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Gene
>>Schwartz <travel1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Cc: Al Angle <jangle@xxxxxxxx>; John Aupperle <JAupp@xxxxxxx>; Scott
>Brandau
>><sbrandau@xxxxxxxx>; Stan Ellison <BSEllison@xxxxxxx>; Clem Gagne
>><clemray@xxxxxxx>; Mike Hasket <ellmic1@xxxxxxxx>; Pamela E. Hinchey
>><spamette@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Mike Hodges <mwhod@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>Marketspace
>>Financial <marketspac@xxxxxxx>; Don Potter <djp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>Andy
>>Pracht <pracht@xxxxxxxxxxx>; Gene Schwartz <travel1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
>Frank
>>Tarr, OD <FTARR@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 1:14 PM
>>Subject: "The Seduction of a President" by Kenneth Starr
>>
>>
>>>My wife, who grabbed this best seller from my hands before I had a chance
>>to
>>>read it, made this observation. I tend to agree with her. Like most
>women
>>she
>>>is quite intuitive. I do not think that Monica is the poor little intern
>>>intimidated by a President who wielded his power and influence to have
his
>>way
>>>with her. To me (and my wife) she is an attractive young lady who by her
>>own
>>>account seduced a relatively old fool who used the wrong head to think
>>with.
>>>
>>>I feel sorry for the man but I am not sure I want him as Commander in
>>Chief.
>>>Not because of the perjury but because of the lack of good sense. The
>>>interesting thing is that with all the mulling over by the press I have
>>heard no
>>>one put forth this observation. When I carefully read the details of the
>>>encounters this conclusion seems reasonable and likely.
>>>Any opinions??
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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