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TJ,
Perhaps some "products are built by people
without trading experience" but I can assure you that there are many programs
which are "built" by traders, including some who are well
known. As in AmiBroker's case, these programs tend to emphasize
the trader's style and may or may not be programmable. However, in
general, their output and ease of usage are quite good and have stood the
test of time.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: February 23, 2009 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: AmiBroker
5.22.0 BETA released
Hello,
Because software design is not popularity contest
or beauty show.
The designer has to decide what is implemented, when
and how.
Otherwise the software ends with mess.
You fail to note
that I am a trader too, as opposed to many other software
developers, so I
actually use AmiBroker for my own trading
and that was the primary reason
to write AmIBroker at all.
AmiBroker is a fruit of my own thought and my
own trading requirements.
Yes there are some features that I do not use
myself and I implemented
them just because others wanted them, but it is
minority.
Other products are built by people without trading
experience.
Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com
-----
Original Message -----
From: "Paolo Cavatore" <pcavatore@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent:
Monday, February 23, 2009 12:15 PM
Subject: [amibroker] Re: AmiBroker
5.22.0 BETA released
> Why don't you implement a poll with
suggested enhancements like the
> guys from multicharts have done for
their platform (see
> http://forum.tssupport.com/viewtopic.php?t=6072)
>
> This would save you precious time and let AB users express their own
> proposal in a simple way.
>
> pc
>
> --- In
amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
"Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@xxx>
> wrote:
>>
>>
Hello,
>>
>> This is mainly there because there was a
stream of very cosmetic
> things suggested that can be
easily
>> worked around or implemented as AFL, or already existing
features
> or duplicates of already suggested things.
>>
>> For example newbies had tendency to log in immediatelly after
> purchase and fill dozen of suggestions
>> of features that
already exist in the software, simply by lack of
> in-depth familiarity
with the program.
>> And then I needed to spend time marking them as
duplicates or
> already existing.
>>
>> So the top
page text is designed to make sure that submission is
> well-thought,
not "impulse" thing.
>> The text mentioned was also added because
some people were
> expecting "next week" implementation
>> for
their suggestions.
>>
>> If you, however, have really
bright idea for significant (not
> cosmetic) improvement then you are
welcome to
>> submit it.
>>
>> The
suggestions are implemented not in chronological order nor
> in "most
discussed" order.
>> They are taken as a "starting point" for
creative process therefore
> they are implemented in
>> (from
your point of view) random order. But for me it is the order
> of
creative process.
>> I prefer suggestions describing the goal than
those very technical
> ("add button for X"), as goal-oriented
suggestions allow
>> better fit into design and look&feel, than
technical, because
> technical suggestions are
>> very
"subjective", have limited scope of application and rarely
> follow the
concept and feel of the program.
>>
>> As you noticed the
usual practice for the beta is to implement more
> or less 10 features
or fixes per 0.01 version.
>> So each major upgrade has more or less
100 new features or fixes.
> And there are at most 3 major upgrades (30
betas)
>> per year.
>>
>> The open suggestion list
on the other hand has 1000+ items. With
> 300 items per year, it takes
about 3 years to go through
>> 1000 suggestions.
>> So the
text above is not to discourage all suggestions, but rather
> to make
sure that everyone understands
>> limitations of the development
process and make your expectations
> realistic.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Tomasz Janeczko
>>
amibroker.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Keith McCombs
>> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 6:09
AM
>> Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: AmiBroker 5.22.0 BETA
released
>>
>>
>> Note that at the
top of the feedback page is written:
>>
>>
Welcome to AmiBroker Feedback Center!
>> 1..
Please DO NOT send NEW suggestions. At the moment only bug
>
reports/critical issues are accepted. We have back log of suggestions
>
to work out. Any new suggestions will be put to "On Hold" status.
>> Therefore, I have been keeping my suggestions to
myself (yes,
> plural).
>>
>> Dennis
Brown wrote:
>> Bill,
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, I
agree. This board is a good way to iron out
> understandings
between different users to bring clarity to vague
> ideas or support
for specific ones. However, follow through is
> needed to make it
happen. Someone has to write the suggestions and
> look for
support of the discussions or nothing will happen if it does
> not
happen right away. A number of critical additions were made to
>
the charting features and some bug fixes by TJ last year through this
>
process, and others were left for later consideration. If the ones
> left over are not on the suggestions list, then they may be lost and
> forgotten when TJ goes looking through the list for the next thing to
> do.
>>
>>
>>
BR,
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2009, at 9:40 PM, wavemechanic
wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dennis, as you know from past
lively discussions last summer
> and before regarding charting that the
forum appears (at least to me)
> to be more effective than the
Suggestion Board. This might reflect
> the fact that many add
their "2 cents" in contrast to the Suggestion
> Board which many do not
look at.
>>
>> So, Tim,
I encourage you to look up the old threads on the
> subject which
contain many specifics. There were many good ideas in
> those
messages and what they need, I suspect, is a way to present
> them in a
more structured manner. Grab the bull by the horns and you
> will
be surprised how many jump in the pool wit h you. Maybe we
>
should have an AB-Charting board for the chartists.
>>
>>
Bill
>> -----
Original Message
-----
>> From: Dennis
Brown
>> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
Sent: February 22, 2009 8:33
PM
>> Subject: Re:
[amibroker] Re: AmiBroker 5.22.0 BETA re leased
>>
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> Please use the
requested feedback page for suggestions.
> That way
the
>> rest of
us can see what your suggestions are and they can
> be supported
>> if they are
desired by others. Tomasz has said that this
> is the
only
>> way he
will consider additions, so improve your chances of
> success by
>> following the
requested process.
>>
>> Many suggestions
have waited for years to get to their
> turn --
>> depending on how
hard they are to do, and the number of
> users who
>> support
them.
>>
>>
Of course it is different if Tomasz is inviting comments on
> the board
&nbs p;
>> about
a specific feature he is working on.
>>
>> You can also use
the board to say specifically what you
> need.
>> Sometimes someone
knows exactly how to do a thing and will
> share it.
>> Plan for success
by casting your net wide. You never know
> when and
>> where the fish
are hiding.
>>
>> Best
regards,
>>
Dennis
>>
>>
>> On Feb 22, 2009,
at 7:31 PM, Tim wrote:
>>
>> > Hi
Dennis,
>> > Thank
you for your comments and suggestion. I have sent
> TJ
several
>> >
emails requesting some additions to AB as well as his
> request
for
>> >
additional suggestions from the forum regarding charting
>
additions
>> >
etc. I believe if AB had a number of studies built in it
> would
make
>> > the
program easier to use and appeal to a broader
> audience.
My
>> > decision
to email TJ privately stemmed from my approach
> to appeal
to
>> > the
business man in TJ as well as support my suggestions
> for
the
>> >
additions. He has continued to develop new features for
> those who
have
>> > the
ability to program and a dearth of new features for
> those who
>> >
can't.
>> > I am
pleased he has added the new features for those with
> the
ability
>> > to
program, my wish is that he would also add new
> features for
those
>> > of us
who don't. I really like AB and very much wish to
> continue
using
>> > it but
I am now forced to use another program because
> they offer
what
>> > I need.
AB and I go back a few years, forget how many,
> but I
need
>> > certain
studies that have been missing and because of
> that I
have
>> > opted to
use a program which isn't as good in many areas
> as AB.
Over
>> > the
years I have seen many wonderful things said about AB
> and
rightly
>> > so.
However, the main criticism which has been stated
> numerous
times
>> > is the
need to program in order to get the most out of AB
> and lack
of
>> > studies.
TJ is well aware of this and I have also brought
> it to
his
>> > attention
as well. It was with these things in mind that
> I posed
the
>> > question
to TJ in hopes of getting his response. Thank
> you again
for
>> > your
comments and
suggestion.
>>
>
>> > Warmest
regards,
>>
>
>>
>
>> >
Tim
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> > --- In
amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
Dennis Brown <see3d@>
>
wrote:
>>
>>
>> >>
Tim,
>>
>>
>> >>
I searched every open suggestion for any originated by
>
Tim...
>> >> I
only found one, and that was just implemented (for
> calendar
days).
>>
>>
>> >>
Did you have specific suggestions requested in the
> official
feedback
>> >>
area you are referring
to?
>>
>>
>> >>
It is hard to tell what you are referring to from your
> comment
--
>> >> "more"
is not an actionable
suggestion.
>>
>>
>> >>
AmiBroker is very strong in programmability features,
> and
backtesting
>>
>> of portfolio strategies. It is also very good in basic
>
charting.
>> >>
However, if you are looking for a lot of built-in
> charting
studies
>> >>
that require no programming, then a dedicated manual
> charting
program
>> >>
would likely have more of these
features.
>>
>>
>> >>
If you are able to drag and drop indicators, then a lot
> more
things
>> >>
are possible, thought others may have to write them if
> you can not
do
>> >>
it.
>>
>>
>> >>
Could you be more specific about what you are looking
>
for?
>>
>>
>> >>
If you just want lots of chart studies for free, then
> open
a
>> >>
thinkorswim account. You get data feeds and charts with
> a lot
of
>> >>
studies at no
charge.
>>
>>
>> >>
Best regards,
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>>
>> >>
On Feb 21, 2009, at 11:16 AM, Tim
wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi
TJ,
>> >>> I
know many of the programmer types enjoy the many
> features you
have
>> >>>
added to AB over the years. However, is their any cha
> nce you
are
>>
>>> going
>>
>>> to add features for those of us who want charting
>
upgrades,
>>
>>>
additional
>>
>>> charting studies etc? I am sure these features would be
>
very well
>>
>>> received also. Please consider this in future upgrades
>
to AB. Thank
>>
>>> you.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Kindest
regards,
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Tim
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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