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[amibroker] Re: 'Rule Based' versus 'Discretionary' trading...



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Merrill - a great symbol to watch for market sentiment when trading 
the S&P!
I have read many posts on this board and I have come to believe that 
there are some people on this board that have achieved success 
through the use of system trading.  I trade the S&P e-mini's 
(discretionary) and occasionally trade other future contracts if I 
see a setup that presents all of the elements of a great trade. I 
consider myself a "specialist" since I focus on the S&P.  I have 
reviewed some of the "E-Mini S&P trading systems" and after reviewing 
the "Actual" or backtesting results have not seen any as of yet that 
I would be able to trade for two reasons, the first is putting my 
trading capital at risk with something that has some degree 
of "unknown" and "trusting" that all things will work to my 
advantage.  I am also suspicious of the system vendors.  If a system 
can perform with excellent results why is it being offered to John Q. 
Public?  If I had an "automated system" that generated awesome 
returns I would not want to be bothered with being on call for anyone 
that has purchased my "system".  If I cannot achieve excellent 
results why would I buy it?  Which brings me to the final conclusion -
 I trust my experience, judgment, discipline and risk management 
skills - it took years to become somewhat proficient so why try to 
write it in code and remove me from the equation?
I know that I would screw up any off the shelf system simply by 
overriding the system at critical periods - my lack of trust in 
something unknown would guarantee my failure.
In the end I will tip my hat to those that have the talent to develop 
an automated system that fits into their comfort zone and conforms to 
their style.  I believe there is enough space in the trading universe 
for both system and discretionary trading. My comfort in competing 
with any system is one thing - humans had to design it and provide 
the code to generate the buy and sell signals.  I will stay with 
discretionary trading by choice for the time being.

David K.
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "sidhartha70" <sidhartha70@xxx> 
wrote:
>
> Thought I'd try and start a discussion on this very important 
topic...
> 
> Over the years I seem to have come full circle... back in 1994
> starting as a largely discretionary trader, I moved into 'rule 
based'
> systems while working for Merrill Lynch back in 1997. I spent about 
7
> years trading various types of rule based system. All variations on
> statistical arbitrage themes.
> 
> Over recent years I have migrated away from rule based trading back 
to
> discretionary, and find myself developing some quite strong opinions
> about rule based trading (opinions which I happy to have 
changed!!!).
> 
> One thing that strikes me about this forum is the focus on 'rule
> based' trading and backtesting/optimization of systems. Perhaps this
> relates to the grounding of the product. I have been an owner of
> AmiBroker for about 5 months now I guess... and it seems to me it's
> strengths lie in backtesting & optimization (if only I had a product
> like this back in 1997 my life would have been an absolute joy).
> However, it's weaknesses seem to lie in it's charting (as has been
> commented on a couple of reviews on Elite Trader) and particualrly 
the
> openness & adaptability of it's charting framework.
> 
> Anyway, I'd love to start an open discussion on 'rule based' versus
> 'discretionary'... Pros, cons, differences, potential returns from
> each route, does one route lead to the other etc..etc...
> 
> I'm very much wanting to learn from opening this subject up.
>



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