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Brian,
Don't blame the people if your tools don't work.
I left you a message on your new site this morning and it said it was
delivered.
If you did not get it, that suggests others may have sent you some
note that you did not get.
BR,
Dennis
On May 2, 2008, at 10:38 PM, brian_z111 wrote:
> Yes, I already acquired this 'brief overview' from sites like that
> and also did more than a cursory reading of WordPress in the past.
>
> The site I put up was only a temporary 'free' site, to invite
> responses, so there is no requirement for me to go to the next phase
> (secure quality host, vandal protection and system design etc) unless
> there is sufficient interest (why spend resources if there is no
> demand and I don't want to consider design unless a project team
> assembles and lays out a spec first).
>
> Note: I actually expected little or no response so that is why I
> decided not to 'invest' in a bigger production for the opening.
>
> Yes, my IT experience is zero but in a team project it is the norm
> for members to pool their skills (in fact it works best if people are
> free to perform their own role without interference and of course no
> one person can 'do it all' - this is yesterdays model).
>
> Yes, if I want to do something I will go away and learn it but no
> need to debate these points as the ATP is a billion to one shot(my
> site is crashed already and there is no interest anyway).
>
> Since there is no interest in a 'better' site, you were correct and I
> was wrong.
>
> Case closed.
>
> On with the show (I am starting my next new project after a cup of
> coffee).
>
> All the best,
>
> brian_z
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@xxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> While I appreciate your contributions to UKB, with this sentence:
>>
>>> - what Tomasz is supplying, for free, at the UKB is very basic
> and
>>> better hosting packages can be purchased elsewhere, for a small
> fee,
>>> and he won't have to do any admin
>>
>> you are showing zero knowledge about web hosting.
>>
>> I am sorry to say that, but you are completely missing the point.
>> UKB is based on Wordpress, which is blogging platform.
>> It has *nothing* to do with hosting packages.
>>
>> Hosting packages typically consists of web server software (usually
> Apache),
>> database backend (mySQL), scripting languages (PHP, pearl, Python),
>> control panel (CPanel), root admin tools (Virtuozzo Panel, WHM),
> etc, etc.
>> And all amibroker sites actually use ALL these services. They are
> pretty much standard,
>> but they have more or less nothing to do with publishing per se.
>>
>> Wordpress completely different subject. It is open-source blogging
> platform
>> that sits ON TOP of (i.e. utilising) basic services like apache,
> mysql, php.
>>
>> Publishing platform is one layer above basic hosting services
> mentioned above.
>>
>> My advice for you - wannabe web owner - is to spend a while
> reading/asking questions on webhostingtalk.com
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Tomasz Janeczko
>> amibroker.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@xxx>
>> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 12:52 AM
>> Subject: [amibroker] Re: OT: AmiBrokerTradersProject
>>
>>
>>> Good question.
>>>
>>> First, I am not out to create the need by talking it up.
>>> People are either satisfied with what we have, or they are not.
>>> They want to do something about it, or they don't (it appears
> that
>>> they don't because there are no new messages in my mailbox, which
> is
>>> OK by me).
>>> I take your point that many would see the ATP as a duplicate and
>>> wasted effort etc.
>>>
>>> I did outline some of the points of difference at 'my' site.
>>>
>>> Note: my host appears to be down at the moment, which is what you
> get
>>> with an amateur production - I picked the first host from
> a 'webhost
>>> review page' but the intention is to move quickly to a quality
> host
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> It is only my personal perception - a couple of examples:
>>>
>>> - the UKB is owned and administered by AmiBroker, whereas the ATP
> is
>>> a community owned project
>>> - the UKB can't be extended without agreement from Tomasz and he
> is
>>> too busy to spend much time on it
>>> - what Tomasz is supplying, for free, at the UKB is very basic
> and
>>> better hosting packages can be purchased elsewhere, for a small
> fee,
>>> and he won't have to do any admin
>>> - this messageboard is owned by AmiBroker, and hosted by Yahoo,
> and
>>> nothing can be extended here.
>>>
>>> ...and so on
>>>
>>> One of the main points of difference is that the UKB was a non-
>>> commercial community effort site and only 4 people from 7000
> wanted
>>> to join in.
>>>
>>> Was that because they didn't want to, were too busy or found the
> site
>>> unattractive or too hard to use?
>>>
>>> I am addressing the latter point and giving people the option to
>>> say, "yes I will contribute if the site is easier to use and I
> don't
>>> have to sign an AmiBroker contract".
>>>
>>> There is another group of people who might want to join in if the
>>> site is higher quality and they can tag their contributions with
>>> their commercial moniker (a not unreasonable request).
>>>
>>> So that is the group I am targeting:
>>>
>>> people who like to control their own destiny and/or people who
> would
>>> like to participate but can't because they have, or would like to
>>> have, commercial interests.
>>>
>>> If they are not interested then no-one is interested.
>>>
>>> I can assure you that what we can have and what we do have are a
>>> million miles apart (please use your imagination to fill in the
> gap).
>>>
>>> brian_z
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Ken Close <ken45140@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Brian: I am curious what is the need(s) you are trying to meet
> with
>>> the new
>>>> site that cannot (or is not) be met with your UKB and this
> forum.
>>> Applause
>>>> for all the work you do, but one wonders whether the extra time
> to
>>>> create/manage/contribute to the new project would not
> yield "more
>>> return" if
>>>> applied to expanding the current tools rather than creating what
>>> looks like
>>>> a duplicate. My apologies if you answered this in another post,
>>> which I
>>>> missed if you did.
>>>> Ken
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf
>>>> Of brian_z111
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:08 AM
>>>> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [amibroker] Re: OT: AmiBrokerTradersProject
>>>>
>>>> Try the URL again.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.amibrokertradersproject.com/
>>>>
>>>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "brian_z111" <brian_z111@>
> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> As many of you would know I was involved in the joint venture
>>> that
>>>>> dreamed up, and started, the UKB.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two points about it:
>>>>>
>>>>> - first I would never have become involved except for the fact
>>> that
>>>>> Tomasz and/or Herman showed a belief in me that my resume
> didn't
>>>>> warrant.
>>>>>
>>>>> - second I am proud of it but I am also a realist and it is a
>>>> failure
>>>>> (the community voted with their feet).
>>>>>
>>>>> I learnt a lot from the experience and I have started a new
>>> project
>>>>> that eliminates some of the weaknesses of the UKB and adds
> some
>>> new
>>>>> strengths (IMO).
>>>>>
>>>>> The project is self-explanatory.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please see:
>>>>>
>>>>> www.amibrokertradersproject.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that I alone am responsible for the project, up to this
>>> stage.
>>>>> I had preliminary discussions on the subject with AB/Tomasz
> and
>>> please
>>>>> note that IT IS NOT AN AMIBROKER PROJECT and IT IS NOT
> SUPPORTED
>>> BY
>>>>> AMIBROKER.
>>>>>
>>>>> The site currently has basic but adequate communication
>>> facilities and
>>>>> if there is any support around for the project the coms will
> be
>>> ramped
>>>>> up so please - ALL DISCUSSION WILL BE CARRIED OUT AT THE ATP
> SITE
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope you like it.
>>>>>
>>>>> If not I get to spend more time at the beach this year.
>>>>>
>>>>> brian_z
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>
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