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Apologies for the site being unavailable.
I am now back on line and will be attending to enquiries filed at the
site.
Things will be a bit rough until we get a permanent home.
Thanks for letting me know.
brian_z
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Dennis Brown <see3d@xxx> wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> Don't blame the people if your tools don't work.
>
> I left you a message on your new site this morning and it said it
was
> delivered.
> If you did not get it, that suggests others may have sent you some
> note that you did not get.
>
> BR,
> Dennis
>
>
> On May 2, 2008, at 10:38 PM, brian_z111 wrote:
>
> > Yes, I already acquired this 'brief overview' from sites like that
> > and also did more than a cursory reading of WordPress in the past.
> >
> > The site I put up was only a temporary 'free' site, to invite
> > responses, so there is no requirement for me to go to the next
phase
> > (secure quality host, vandal protection and system design etc)
unless
> > there is sufficient interest (why spend resources if there is no
> > demand and I don't want to consider design unless a project team
> > assembles and lays out a spec first).
> >
> > Note: I actually expected little or no response so that is why I
> > decided not to 'invest' in a bigger production for the opening.
> >
> > Yes, my IT experience is zero but in a team project it is the norm
> > for members to pool their skills (in fact it works best if people
are
> > free to perform their own role without interference and of course
no
> > one person can 'do it all' - this is yesterdays model).
> >
> > Yes, if I want to do something I will go away and learn it but no
> > need to debate these points as the ATP is a billion to one shot(my
> > site is crashed already and there is no interest anyway).
> >
> > Since there is no interest in a 'better' site, you were correct
and I
> > was wrong.
> >
> > Case closed.
> >
> > On with the show (I am starting my next new project after a cup of
> > coffee).
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > brian_z
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Brian,
> >>
> >> While I appreciate your contributions to UKB, with this sentence:
> >>
> >>> - what Tomasz is supplying, for free, at the UKB is very basic
> > and
> >>> better hosting packages can be purchased elsewhere, for a small
> > fee,
> >>> and he won't have to do any admin
> >>
> >> you are showing zero knowledge about web hosting.
> >>
> >> I am sorry to say that, but you are completely missing the point.
> >> UKB is based on Wordpress, which is blogging platform.
> >> It has *nothing* to do with hosting packages.
> >>
> >> Hosting packages typically consists of web server software
(usually
> > Apache),
> >> database backend (mySQL), scripting languages (PHP, pearl,
Python),
> >> control panel (CPanel), root admin tools (Virtuozzo Panel, WHM),
> > etc, etc.
> >> And all amibroker sites actually use ALL these services. They are
> > pretty much standard,
> >> but they have more or less nothing to do with publishing per se.
> >>
> >> Wordpress completely different subject. It is open-source
blogging
> > platform
> >> that sits ON TOP of (i.e. utilising) basic services like apache,
> > mysql, php.
> >>
> >> Publishing platform is one layer above basic hosting services
> > mentioned above.
> >>
> >> My advice for you - wannabe web owner - is to spend a while
> > reading/asking questions on webhostingtalk.com
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Tomasz Janeczko
> >> amibroker.com
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@>
> >> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 12:52 AM
> >> Subject: [amibroker] Re: OT: AmiBrokerTradersProject
> >>
> >>
> >>> Good question.
> >>>
> >>> First, I am not out to create the need by talking it up.
> >>> People are either satisfied with what we have, or they are not.
> >>> They want to do something about it, or they don't (it appears
> > that
> >>> they don't because there are no new messages in my mailbox,
which
> > is
> >>> OK by me).
> >>> I take your point that many would see the ATP as a duplicate and
> >>> wasted effort etc.
> >>>
> >>> I did outline some of the points of difference at 'my' site.
> >>>
> >>> Note: my host appears to be down at the moment, which is what
you
> > get
> >>> with an amateur production - I picked the first host from
> > a 'webhost
> >>> review page' but the intention is to move quickly to a quality
> > host
> >>> anyway.
> >>>
> >>> It is only my personal perception - a couple of examples:
> >>>
> >>> - the UKB is owned and administered by AmiBroker, whereas the
ATP
> > is
> >>> a community owned project
> >>> - the UKB can't be extended without agreement from Tomasz and he
> > is
> >>> too busy to spend much time on it
> >>> - what Tomasz is supplying, for free, at the UKB is very basic
> > and
> >>> better hosting packages can be purchased elsewhere, for a small
> > fee,
> >>> and he won't have to do any admin
> >>> - this messageboard is owned by AmiBroker, and hosted by Yahoo,
> > and
> >>> nothing can be extended here.
> >>>
> >>> ...and so on
> >>>
> >>> One of the main points of difference is that the UKB was a non-
> >>> commercial community effort site and only 4 people from 7000
> > wanted
> >>> to join in.
> >>>
> >>> Was that because they didn't want to, were too busy or found the
> > site
> >>> unattractive or too hard to use?
> >>>
> >>> I am addressing the latter point and giving people the option to
> >>> say, "yes I will contribute if the site is easier to use and I
> > don't
> >>> have to sign an AmiBroker contract".
> >>>
> >>> There is another group of people who might want to join in if
the
> >>> site is higher quality and they can tag their contributions with
> >>> their commercial moniker (a not unreasonable request).
> >>>
> >>> So that is the group I am targeting:
> >>>
> >>> people who like to control their own destiny and/or people who
> > would
> >>> like to participate but can't because they have, or would like
to
> >>> have, commercial interests.
> >>>
> >>> If they are not interested then no-one is interested.
> >>>
> >>> I can assure you that what we can have and what we do have are a
> >>> million miles apart (please use your imagination to fill in the
> > gap).
> >>>
> >>> brian_z
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Ken Close <ken45140@> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Brian: I am curious what is the need(s) you are trying to meet
> > with
> >>> the new
> >>>> site that cannot (or is not) be met with your UKB and this
> > forum.
> >>> Applause
> >>>> for all the work you do, but one wonders whether the extra time
> > to
> >>>> create/manage/contribute to the new project would not
> > yield "more
> >>> return" if
> >>>> applied to expanding the current tools rather than creating
what
> >>> looks like
> >>>> a duplicate. My apologies if you answered this in another
post,
> >>> which I
> >>>> missed if you did.
> >>>> Ken
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >>> On Behalf
> >>>> Of brian_z111
> >>>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:08 AM
> >>>> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: [amibroker] Re: OT: AmiBrokerTradersProject
> >>>>
> >>>> Try the URL again.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.amibrokertradersproject.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "brian_z111" <brian_z111@>
> > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As many of you would know I was involved in the joint venture
> >>> that
> >>>>> dreamed up, and started, the UKB.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Two points about it:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - first I would never have become involved except for the fact
> >>> that
> >>>>> Tomasz and/or Herman showed a belief in me that my resume
> > didn't
> >>>>> warrant.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - second I am proud of it but I am also a realist and it is a
> >>>> failure
> >>>>> (the community voted with their feet).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I learnt a lot from the experience and I have started a new
> >>> project
> >>>>> that eliminates some of the weaknesses of the UKB and adds
> > some
> >>> new
> >>>>> strengths (IMO).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The project is self-explanatory.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please see:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> www.amibrokertradersproject.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note that I alone am responsible for the project, up to this
> >>> stage.
> >>>>> I had preliminary discussions on the subject with AB/Tomasz
> > and
> >>> please
> >>>>> note that IT IS NOT AN AMIBROKER PROJECT and IT IS NOT
> > SUPPORTED
> >>> BY
> >>>>> AMIBROKER.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The site currently has basic but adequate communication
> >>> facilities and
> >>>>> if there is any support around for the project the coms will
> > be
> >>> ramped
> >>>>> up so please - ALL DISCUSSION WILL BE CARRIED OUT AT THE ATP
> > SITE
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope you like it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If not I get to spend more time at the beach this year.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> brian_z
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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