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Brian,
While I appreciate your contributions to UKB, with this sentence:
> - what Tomasz is supplying, for free, at the UKB is very basic and
> better hosting packages can be purchased elsewhere, for a small fee,
> and he won't have to do any admin
you are showing zero knowledge about web hosting.
I am sorry to say that, but you are completely missing the point.
UKB is based on Wordpress, which is blogging platform.
It has *nothing* to do with hosting packages.
Hosting packages typically consists of web server software (usually Apache),
database backend (mySQL), scripting languages (PHP, pearl, Python),
control panel (CPanel), root admin tools (Virtuozzo Panel, WHM), etc, etc.
And all amibroker sites actually use ALL these services. They are pretty much standard,
but they have more or less nothing to do with publishing per se.
Wordpress completely different subject. It is open-source blogging platform
that sits ON TOP of (i.e. utilising) basic services like apache, mysql, php.
Publishing platform is one layer above basic hosting services mentioned above.
My advice for you - wannabe web owner - is to spend a while reading/asking questions on webhostingtalk.com
Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 12:52 AM
Subject: [amibroker] Re: OT: AmiBrokerTradersProject
> Good question.
>
> First, I am not out to create the need by talking it up.
> People are either satisfied with what we have, or they are not.
> They want to do something about it, or they don't (it appears that
> they don't because there are no new messages in my mailbox, which is
> OK by me).
> I take your point that many would see the ATP as a duplicate and
> wasted effort etc.
>
> I did outline some of the points of difference at 'my' site.
>
> Note: my host appears to be down at the moment, which is what you get
> with an amateur production - I picked the first host from a 'webhost
> review page' but the intention is to move quickly to a quality host
> anyway.
>
> It is only my personal perception - a couple of examples:
>
> - the UKB is owned and administered by AmiBroker, whereas the ATP is
> a community owned project
> - the UKB can't be extended without agreement from Tomasz and he is
> too busy to spend much time on it
> - what Tomasz is supplying, for free, at the UKB is very basic and
> better hosting packages can be purchased elsewhere, for a small fee,
> and he won't have to do any admin
> - this messageboard is owned by AmiBroker, and hosted by Yahoo, and
> nothing can be extended here.
>
> ...and so on
>
> One of the main points of difference is that the UKB was a non-
> commercial community effort site and only 4 people from 7000 wanted
> to join in.
>
> Was that because they didn't want to, were too busy or found the site
> unattractive or too hard to use?
>
> I am addressing the latter point and giving people the option to
> say, "yes I will contribute if the site is easier to use and I don't
> have to sign an AmiBroker contract".
>
> There is another group of people who might want to join in if the
> site is higher quality and they can tag their contributions with
> their commercial moniker (a not unreasonable request).
>
> So that is the group I am targeting:
>
> people who like to control their own destiny and/or people who would
> like to participate but can't because they have, or would like to
> have, commercial interests.
>
> If they are not interested then no-one is interested.
>
> I can assure you that what we can have and what we do have are a
> million miles apart (please use your imagination to fill in the gap).
>
> brian_z
>
>
>
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Ken Close <ken45140@xxx> wrote:
>>
>> Brian: I am curious what is the need(s) you are trying to meet with
> the new
>> site that cannot (or is not) be met with your UKB and this forum.
> Applause
>> for all the work you do, but one wonders whether the extra time to
>> create/manage/contribute to the new project would not yield "more
> return" if
>> applied to expanding the current tools rather than creating what
> looks like
>> a duplicate. My apologies if you answered this in another post,
> which I
>> missed if you did.
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf
>> Of brian_z111
>> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:08 AM
>> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [amibroker] Re: OT: AmiBrokerTradersProject
>>
>> Try the URL again.
>>
>> http://www.amibrokertradersproject.com/
>>
>> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "brian_z111" <brian_z111@> wrote:
>> >
>> > As many of you would know I was involved in the joint venture
> that
>> > dreamed up, and started, the UKB.
>> >
>> > Two points about it:
>> >
>> > - first I would never have become involved except for the fact
> that
>> > Tomasz and/or Herman showed a belief in me that my resume didn't
>> > warrant.
>> >
>> > - second I am proud of it but I am also a realist and it is a
>> failure
>> > (the community voted with their feet).
>> >
>> > I learnt a lot from the experience and I have started a new
> project
>> > that eliminates some of the weaknesses of the UKB and adds some
> new
>> > strengths (IMO).
>> >
>> > The project is self-explanatory.
>> >
>> > Please see:
>> >
>> > www.amibrokertradersproject.com
>> >
>> >
>> > Note that I alone am responsible for the project, up to this
> stage.
>> > I had preliminary discussions on the subject with AB/Tomasz and
> please
>> > note that IT IS NOT AN AMIBROKER PROJECT and IT IS NOT SUPPORTED
> BY
>> > AMIBROKER.
>> >
>> > The site currently has basic but adequate communication
> facilities and
>> > if there is any support around for the project the coms will be
> ramped
>> > up so please - ALL DISCUSSION WILL BE CARRIED OUT AT THE ATP SITE
>> >
>> > Hope you like it.
>> >
>> > If not I get to spend more time at the beach this year.
>> >
>> > brian_z
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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