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Hello,
Sorry, but I don't get your point. Why would anyone use one provider for streaming only
and the other one for backfill (with all headache connected with
different symbols, manually downloading via say eSignal, importing, etc)?
Why making things harder and more complicated ?
Didn't you think, that instead of pushing AB to implement feed that does not have
any backfill, you would rather think about pushing the data vendor (ZenFutures) to add backfill
which is pretty essential feature?
Do you know how many data sources are on this planet that don't have any backfill.
Thousands of them. And should I connect to every such feed?
Don't you think that it makes only sense to connect to full-featured feeds?
Don't you think that the feed without backfill is useless FOR BACKTESTING and CHARTING application?
How you are supposed to backtest or chart without history?
Sorry guys, but you don't seem to understand that development and testing of dedicated plugin as it was
said before here, is about one month of work for 1 programmer. That does not include maintenance.
You can multiply 8 hours by 25 days and hourly rate of programmer work. And then how many users would use the feed without backfill?
10?
Best regards,
Tomasz Janeczko
amibroker.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "scourt2000" <stevehite@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 8:05 PM
Subject: [amibroker] Re: Zenfire and Amibroker?
>
> Of course, only 'useless' if you don't already have a real-time
> provider like eSignal. But I get your point...YOU'RE not going to do
> it.
>
> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko" <groups@xxx>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> If they don't have backfill this makes them pretty much useless.
>> And no, if I were to host historical files, I would be entering
> data provider bussiness
>> and then it would be much better to provide full-featured feed than
> relying on someone else.
>> Being data provider is not part of my bussiness plan at the moment.
>>
>> I am not going to write plugins to any source that does not have
> backfill,
>> you are however free to develop it on your own
>> http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/2006/12/15/amibroker-development-
> kit-adk-for-cc-now-available-to-everyone
>> or use universal DDE plugin as most no-backfill sources provide DDE
> capability http://www.amibroker.com/dde.html
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Tomasz Janeczko
>> amibroker.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "dbwyatt_1999" <dbw451@xxx>
>> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 3:52 PM
>> Subject: [amibroker] Re: Zenfire and Amibroker?
>>
>>
>> > Zenfire is similar to MBTrading; no historical data backfill for
>> > charts. NinjaTrader addresses this issue by maintaining their
> own
>> > historical data servers (like TradeStation does).
>> >
>> > TransAct's data feed does have historical chart data. I don't
> think
>> > they have continuous contracts, just historical data for each
> futures
>> > contract.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > David
>> >
>> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "scourt2000" <stevehite@> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The only other broker I know of that is as open as Interactive
>> >> Brokers is with theirs is MBTrading. It's a COM interface.
>> >>
>> >> www.mbtrading.com
>> >>
>> >> I don't have an account with them so couldn't tell you about the
>> >> quality of their order fills. They've had this open API for
> around
>> > 4
>> >> years and there's no political hoops to jump through to get
> access
>> > to
>> >> it.
>> >>
>> >> This wouldn't be an all-in-one solution for someone who wants
> the
>> >> brokerage access and the real-time data w/historical requests
> for
>> >> their Amibroker chart fills though. It's just streaming real-
> time
>> >> data and account transactions through a broker.
>> >>
>> >> --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "dbwyatt_1999" <dbw451@> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > I went through the excersise of trying to figure out Zenfire a
>> > few
>> >> weeks
>> >> > ago. Zenfire is primarily trade execution technology which
>> > includes
>> >> > market data. Apparently, it's based on Rithmic's trade
> execution
>> >> > software (www.rithmic.com <http://www.rithmic.com> ) and 7
> Ticks
>> >> network
>> >> > (www.7ticks.com <http://www.7ticks.com> ). Since Rithmic and
> 7
>> >> Ticks
>> >> > want to remain FCM and IB neutral, they do not advertise
>> > Zenfire. I
>> >> > think Zenfire is a marketing name that either NinjaTrader or
> Mirus
>> >> > Futures put on the technology.
>> >> >
>> >> > Mirus Futures is the primary contact for ZenFire
>> >> (www.mirusfutures.com
>> >> > <http://www.mirusfutures.com> ). They seem to be the broker
> most
>> >> > influencing Zenfire's functionality.
>> >> >
>> >> > Since we're discussing broker datafeeds, I think a better fit
> for
>> >> > AmiBroker than ZenFire would be TransAct Future's datafeed
>> >> > (www.transactfutures.com <http://www.transactfutures.com> ).
> The
>> >> reason
>> >> > I think it would be a better fit is because TransAct has a
>> > complete
>> >> > order entry platform but lacks charting. Ensign, Sierra
> Charts,
>> > and
>> >> > Trade Navigator have already built interfaces with TransAct
> and
>> > are
>> >> > advertised on TransAct's home page.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> >
>> >> > David
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "dingo" <dingo@> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
> http://www.mirusfutures.com/futures_broker_company_zenfire.htm
>> >> > >
>> >> > > d
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > > > From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > > > [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of bilbo0211
>> >> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 7:32 PM
>> >> > > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Zenfire and Amibroker?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Zenfire is not a retail datafeed, I've only seen it
> offered
>> >> through
>> >> > > > brokers with Ninja Trader. They do not appear to have their
>> >> > > > own website.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > There may be some relationship between Ninja Trader and
>> > Zenfire
>> >> but
>> >> > I
>> >> > > > do not think it is exclusive because NT works with many
> data
>> >> feeds.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > The 3 brokers I know offer Zenfire are:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
> http://www.mirusfutures.com/futures_broker_company_zenfire.htm
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > http://www.ampfutures.com/zen_fire.html
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >>
> http://www.proactivetrading.com/trading_platforms/ninja_trader.htm
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I'm sure there are others. You should be able to get
> Zenfire
>> >> info
>> >> > from
>> >> > > > any of them.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Bill
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Tomasz Janeczko"
>> >> > > > groups@ wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Sorry, but what this ZenFire is ? I googled for Zenfire
> and
>> >> > > > > they don't have a web page ??? All I get are links to
>> >> Ninjatrader
>> >> > > > forums.
>> >> > > > > Seems unprofessional that they did not manage to
>> >> > > > > have google index their page (if they have any).
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > URL anyone?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Best regards,
>> >> > > > > Tomasz Janeczko
>> >> > > > > amibroker.com
>> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > > > From: "bilbo0211" bilbod@
>> >> > > > > To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 8:26 PM
>> >> > > > > Subject: [amibroker] Zenfire and Amibroker?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > > I've been trying to decide which data feed to use and
> it
>> >> > > > looks like
>> >> > > > > > Zenfire is the fastest and most reliable available
> right
>> >> > > > now. Every
>> >> > > > > > professional trader I have talked to that has used
>> >> > > > Zenfire raves about
>> >> > > > > > how much better it is than their previous data feeds.
>> >> > > > Also there are
>> >> > > > > > videos online that traders have posted to compare
> Zenfire
>> > to
>> >> > other
>> >> > > > > > datafeeds. During slow market activity there is no
>> >> discernable
>> >> > > > > > difference but when tick volume picks up, the Zenfire
> fed
>> >> charts
>> >> > > > > > clearly lead sometimes by a substantial amount.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > There was a time when IB's sampled data was an
> advantage
>> >> > > > because when
>> >> > > > > > volume got heavy you always had up-to-date prices
> while
>> >> other
>> >> > data
>> >> > > > > > feeds would bog down and deliver delayed data. It looks
>> >> > > > like Zenfire
>> >> > > > > > can deliver every tick without delay. There is also a
>> >> > > > rumor that IB is
>> >> > > > > > loosing customers to brokers who offer the Zenfire
> data
>> >> feed.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > AFAICT, Amibroker does not support Zenfire and there
> are
>> >> > > > no plans to
>> >> > > > > > do so, which is a shame because I think it would worked
>> >> > > > better with
>> >> > > > > > Zenfire than most charting software. It has never
> choked
>> >> > > > on any amount
>> >> > > > > > of data I have fed into it. Some other programs will
>> >> > > > crash if you try
>> >> > > > > > to feed them too much data.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Bill
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
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>> >> > > > > >
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> check
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>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
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>> >> >
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>
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