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there is little/no mystery to ESD (electro static discharge).
to avoid these mishaps all you need to do is touch both
(simultaneously) hands to the metal (unpainted)
case of your computer before touching components inside.
it is ok to open the case if that is the only way to get to exposed
metal of the computer.
the power supply box of the computer is an easy location to find such
a spot.
if you are on a carpet surface where the computer is located, just
repeat this simple step each time before
you plug/unplug a component in the computer, and try not to move
around too much afterwards before completing
the step.
Joseph Biran
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From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Keith McCombs
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 2:15 PM
To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [amibroker] OT: XP debugging help urgently requested
Michael --
"walking across a synthetic carpet etc., then contacting the
components" (before touching the outside metal case) is, in fact, a
very easy way to destroy a computer. Been there, done that.
-- Keith
Michael.S.G. wrote:
Sorry Ara/Ken,
I think this is a non issue. Else we would be having static build up
just from all the FANs already in PC's.
More of a problem would be walking across a synthetic carpet etc then
contacting the components.
ATB
MSG
Ken Henderson wrote:
>
> The same applies when using a vacuum cleaner to suck up dust. It to,
> will create static.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Ara Kaloustian
> *Sent:* Sunday, 17 September 2006 1:31 AM
> *To:* amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>
ps.com
> *Subject:* Re: [amibroker] OT: XP debugging help urgently requested
>
>
>
> Careful with compressed gases ... they can create a lot of static
> electricity, unless they are designed specifically not to.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Landry" <jelandry@xxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jelandry%40sbcglobal.net> net
> <mailto:jelandry%40sbcglobal.net>>
> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
<mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>>
> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 3:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [amibroker] OT: XP debugging help urgently requested
>
> > Hi Yuki:
> >
> > My tech friends use cans of compressed gas to blow off the
accumulation,
> > rather than
> > risking sucking up the cpu chip or fan off of it's zip socket with
a
> > vacuum
> > cleaner or poking around with a
> > toothpick.
> > I'm sure it's not chlorofluorocarbon gas in today's environment
and the
> > gas
> > is said to be non ozone depleting.
> > DusterT II Compressed Gas Air Duster, 10-oz. Can from Kensington.
> >
> > Best regards
> > JOE
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Yuki Taga" <yukitaga@xxxx <mailto:yukitaga%40tkh.att.ne.jp>
att.ne.jp
> <mailto:yukitaga%40tkh.att.ne.jp>>
> > To: "Keith McCombs" <amibroker@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com
> <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2006 4:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: [amibroker] OT: XP debugging help urgently requested
> >
> >
> >> Hi Keith,
> >>
> >> Anybody know how to get a P4 fan/heatsink off?
> >>
> >> I put it on (I built the box), and of course I'm aware of the two
> >> primary levers that release it, but it's a partial release, not a
> >> complete one, and I can't remember exactly how to get that thing
off,
> >> and I'm not into yanking stuff off the MB. ^_^
> >>
> >> With a flashlight, I can see some accumulation between the fins
of
> >> the heat sink (beyond the fan) that have to be taken care of.
What
> >> has happened is that some dust has actually formed a curtain over
the
> >> top of some of the fins, which of course is really cutting down
on
> >> the airflow. I used a toothpick to gently dislodge some of it,
and
> >> then vacuumed. But I think a more thorough job is called for.
There
> >> are no more curtains, but I can see dust.
> >>
> >> I have been remiss about keeping my eye on the CPU temp. It's
always
> >> run a bit on the hot side (mid 40s), and lately it's been
sneaking
> >> higher, and I haven't paid enough attention to it. This little
bit
> >> of cleaning I did dropped the temp SIX DEGREES C, so no minor
deal.
> >>
> >> There are AB routines that will take the temp up 20 from its
ambient,
> >> so I need to be more careful. The only thing I've got monitoring
it
> >> is the old Motherboard Monitor, which is not supported any
longer. It
> >> gives me board and CPU temps, however.
> >>
> >> So a key question for me at this point would be, does a CPU just
go,
> >> or does it degrade, giving intermittent problems, because of long
> >> term overheating? Given what I saw under the flashlight, I've
been
> >> slowly cooking this, and if a CPU degrades, rather than just
fails,
> >> that is most likely the seat of the problem.
> >>
> >> It isn't like I never clean the box, either. And I've put a
vacuum
> >> on that CPU fan before. I've always been tentative about that
> >> however, because it actually reverses the fan blade action from
it's
> >> normal direction, which is to suck air in over the fins. I've
also
> >> blown compressed air in there, but tentatively there, too,
because
> >> compressed air can get pretty cold in a hurry (at least the can
> >> does), and I don't know just what damage I might be doing along
with
> >> the good. Without a flashlight, it just wasn't too obvious what
was
> >> building up in there that the vacuum could not pull out. Once
> >> dislodged though, a lot of stuff came out. But there is more dust
in
> >> there.
> >>
> >> Maybe I'm better off replacing the CPU, which would have to be
pretty
> >> cheap now, if I could even find one (P4 2.53 GHz).
> >>
> >> Thanks all,
> >>
> >> Yuki
> >>
> >> Saturday, September 16, 2006, 3:28:59 PM, you wrote:
> >>
> >> KM> Like Rik, I too have had CPU overheating problems. I have a
small
> >> KM> utility that came with my computer that shows and records
> >> temperatures.
> >> KM> If you have such, give it a try. Recently I fixed my problems
> >> (computer
> >> KM> shutting down completely during evening virus scans), by
> cleaning the
> >> KM> heat sink and fan. I also used new grease between the fan and
cpu,
> >> but
> >> KM> only because I had to remove the fan in order to get two
years of
> >> dust
> >> KM> bunnies out of it.
> >>
> >> KM> BTW, right now I have my "red line" set for 70 C. Normally
the CPU
> >> runs
> >> KM> at 40 C, but during 1 hour full virus scan it gets up to 55
C.
> >>
> >> KM> Hope this helps.
> >> KM> -- Keith
> >>
> >> KM> Rik Rasmussen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I have had two pc's running XP develop problems that ended up
being
> >>>> the fan
> >>>> on the CPU. In one case it had stopped and the cpu overheated.
In the
> >>>> ohter
> >>>> case, the fan was apparently running too slow to cool.
> >>>>
> >>>> In both cases replacing the cpu fan fixed the problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rik Rasmussen
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Best,
> >>
> >> Yuki
> >>
> >>
> >>
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