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Patrick, Dan and Dave,
What can I say? The quality and relevance of your responses is simply
brilliant - sincere apologies for my tardiness in acknowledging this
fact. What a welcome! <head spins> - if this place is habitated by
the likes of you fellows, then a terrific product is made even better
by such great user support (and I am very impressed that Tomasz is so
very involved with the users as well).
It seems my questions were a little naïve, but while trading is not
new to me, the use of AB is, so thanks for the replies. Previously,
in my "futures" incarnation, my data prodider and software were
packaged so that issues such as I have raised were virtually seamless.
In my current venture, however, I will be using CFD's to trade these
stocks, so I hope that AB's portfolio and testing capabilities can
facilitate leveraged trades.
Taking aboard all of your advices, I have subsequently read further
here and across the web, and will go with QP3 as a data source, as
your consensus seems to point in this direction – extremely well
thought out and researched results demonstrate you chaps really know
your stuff. At the very least, AB and QP3 should provide a solid
*starting* package, while I can of course modify over time as suits.
Regarding cheaper data sources; I'm a carniverous SciFi reader, and
RAH's books form a significant part of my library, so the points you
make vis-à-vis TANSTAAFL raised a guffaw here in the office. Points
well taken.
Now to roll sleeves up & get my hands dirty!!
Your help is so greatly appreciated.
Cheers Guys,
Toey.
--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Dave" <dbwalsh1@xxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi Toe,
> I'm an Aussie AB user, for EOD data I use EzyCast which can produce
> MetaStock format data, which I can then read into AB using the MS
> plugin, my annual subscription is $195(includes ASX, SFE, World Indices,
> Forex etc) for after Midnight downloads. To set up GICS Sectors I used
> Michael (the Oz Falcon's) ASX SETUP which can be found in the Files
> section. He has created various scripts for updating GICS, ASX/S&P
> Indices and now some Fundamental data. There is also a complete ASX
> SAMPLE database up to about june this year. This is well worth a look at
> - check out his Fundamental Indicators. As for Intraday data, you could
> shop around for a broker that intraday charts for your entries.Note also
> that unfortunately IB does not support the ASX.
> All the best with your foray into stocks.
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Dan Clark
> Sent: Sunday, 9 October 2005 11:39 AM
> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [amibroker] Newe User - Some General Questions : )
>
>
>
> Toe,
>
>
>
> I'm "Dan" :-) Welcome to the group!
>
>
>
> Dipping one's toe (pardon the pun) into the waters of technical analysis
> can be challenging. Sometimes, you feel like a "Stranger In A Strange
> Land"! Lots of issues, possibilities, and dead ends. (I know because
> I been down most of them!) Hopefully we can help you better swim
> through the murky waters.
>
>
>
> In general, I agree with Patrick and his comments. Look below for more
> detailed, inline comments.
>
>
>
> Regarding AB, I've used many charting and analytical packages over the
> last six years. Many have a nicer looking UI than AB. Some have well
> over 100 built-in indicators. Some come with data as part of the
> package. But NONE have the power and flexibility of AB.
>
>
>
> Here are two of my posts to the AB Yahoo user group comparing Telechart
> and QuotesPlus:
>
>
>
> http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/message/85659
>
> http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/amibroker/message/86251
>
>
>
> The first is my initial report about two months ago. The second is my
> final report a few weeks later. Look for other posts with that title.
> Other AB users added additional, excellent information including some
> things that I missed.
>
>
>
> One other point. Since I posted the comparison, my opinion has
> polarized even further. I would never go back to TeleChart.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Dan.
>
>
> _____
>
>
> From: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of NW Trader
> Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 3:27 PM
> To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [amibroker] Newe User - Some General Questions : )
>
>
>
> Hi Toe,
>
>
>
> If you want a good comparison, check for the comments Dan wrote in
> evaluation of both TC and QP this past summer (look about the end of
> July, first part of August, thread subject: Report on Quotes Plus Data,
> or search for Quotes Plus). For several reasons he switched to QP3 from
> TC2005. I continue to use both.
>
>
>
> I'm a TA trader (swing and intraday), I trade for a living, and do some
> sorts/explorations on fundamental data (usually on the weekends). I use
> end of day data feeds from QP and TC2005 (TC also has intraday updating,
> ~ 15-20 min delayed), and intraday data feeds from eSignal, and (via
> QuoteTracker) Prophet.net and several brokerages. Intraday I mostly
> rely on the eSignal data to feed AB (trades and watchlists) and do some
> scans on large watchlist using TC2005 delayed. I have multiple
> computers, multiple broadband connections and maintain multiple data
> bases (both end of day and intraday) for AB. But to respond to your
> questions:
>
>
>
> 1st: If I do a FA scan or sort in QP3/TC2005, can the results be
> imported into AB, so I can then run TA over those results? Yes -- but
> for the most part, I don't know why you would want to do so -- AB
> explorations run much faster than either QP or TC. You can access most
> (if not all) of the fundamental data fields in QP using the
> "GetExtralData()" command. TC has virtually no fundamentals exposed to
> AB. But yes, ticker lists generated from any source can be imported
> into AB watchlists from .lst, .tls, .txt, or .csv files with a simple
> Import procedure.
>
> [Dan] I strongly agree on this point. I very much like using QP data
> in AB, especially for its access to "ExtraData". Initially I tried
> running scans in TC and then importing the results into AB. It was a
> serious hassle!!!
>
>
>
> Currently I have two scans that each take 12 to 15 minutes to run in AB.
> 90% of the functionality of these scans can NOT be implemented in either
> TC or QP. One piece of the second scan was originally designed for TC.
> It took 19 separate, manual steps to implement in TC. Now I just ONE
> push a button in AB.
>
>
>
> I'm a database architect by profession (fancy name for a database
> developer). My professional opinion of Telechart's programming
> language and architecture is that it is seriously flawed. The Watchlist
> sorting has some nice features, but much of the scanning process is
> based on loading PCFs into Watchlist and then sorting, selecting,
> sorting again, flagging, unflagging, etc. Initially it sounds great,
> but you hit the "wall" pretty fast.
>
>
>
> For example, let's say that you have a scan that looks for stocks whose
> price is diverging from an indicator (that's the 19 step one mentioned
> above). My scan resulted in about 90 stocks that met criteria. From
> there it was a manual review of the charts. OK, I could deal with that.
> So I reviewed each of the 90 stocks and loaded the interesting 10-15
> interesting ones into a Watchlist. Great! Until the next day.
>
>
>
> Then I ran the scan again. Guess what?!? The scan found most of the 90
> stocks from day one plus a few more in day two. Now why would I want
> to re-review the symbols that are already in my "Stalking" Watchlist or
> ones that I've already decided to exclude!?!
>
>
>
> So, I posted to the Worden support forum - "How can I exclude symbols?
> Can I set up an 'Exclude' Watchlist?" Their response: "Sorry, that
> can't be done. What you can do is manually review your list of 2000
> tradable stocks and delete the ones you don't want." My response: "Uh,
> right! Sure! Happy to!" NOT!
>
>
>
> (You might detect a certain level of frustration here.)
>
>
>
> Conversely, if I approached things via TA 1st in AB, can I export
> results from AB into either QP3 or TC2005 for further FA? Yes, you can
> export explorations or scan results to .lst, .tls, .txt, or .csv files
> with a simple export procedure to create a list to import elsewhere. If
> you just want to create a watchlist to track in QP, TC or Excel,
> certainly that can be done. I rarely use the chart or other programs
> that come with QP as AB "does it all" for me so QP (and for the most
> part) TC2005 are merely data feeds any more.
>
> [Dan] Patrick is correct. You can. It's very easy. However, I can't
> imagine doing that. With QP data, you can do much more in AB. For
> example, here is a "Commentary" Patrick wrote and shared with me. All
> of the data is retrieved and calculated directly from QP price, volume
> and fundamental data. Virtually all of this data can be used in an AB
> scan, exploration or chart:
>
>
>
> STOCK REPORT with Fundamental Data available from Quotes Plus for:
> LKQX
>
>
>
> COMPANY NAME: LKQ CORP-COM
>
>
>
> Briefing: LKQ Corporation is a nationwide provider of recycled OEM
> automotive products and related services. For the 6 months ended
> 6/30/05, revenues increased 32% to $269.8M. Net income increased 46% to
> $16M. Revenues reflect higher volume of products sold, an increase in
> number of customers served and business acquisitions. Net income also
> reflects improved operating margins and increase in interest and other
> income.<P><P>
>
>
>
>
>
> ****************** SUMMARY INFORMATION **************************
>
> FOR: 10/7/2005
>
>
>
> CLOSE: 30.50
>
> Volume: 115,659
>
>
>
> High Close in past 21 days: 30.67
>
>
>
> 52 Week High Close: 32.00
>
> 52 week Low Close: 13.60
>
>
>
> Options: Options are NOT traded on this issue
>
>
>
> Market Capitalization 741.2
>
>
>
> QuotesPlus Relative Strength: 87.000
>
>
>
> Beta - issue Volatility: 0.000
>
> ADX(14) = 15.7 Trend: Down
>
> ATR(5) = 1.04
>
>
>
> Gizzard Stock Criteria Met: YES
>
> DAY TRADER POTENTIAL: NO
>
>
>
>
>
> ****************** DETAIL INFORMATION *******************************
>
>
>
> --- Share and Volume Data -----
>
>
>
> Number of Shares (millions): 24.30
>
>
>
> Date: 10/7/2005
>
> Volume (millions): 0.116 % of 21 day MA: 59.7%
>
> Daily Average Volume Traded prior 5 days (millions): 0.222
>
> Daily Average Volume Traded prior 21 days (millions): 0.192
>
> Daily Average Volume Traded prior 50 days (millions): 0.184
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> --- Stock Ownership Information ---
>
>
>
> Shares Outstanding (millions): 21.23
>
> Shares Float (millions): 18.00
>
>
>
> Float Turnover (days, based on 10 day Avg Vol) 63.30
>
>
>
> Percent of Shares held by Institution: 57.79%
>
>
>
> Short interest (millions): 0.90
>
> Float / Short Ratio: 20.02
>
> Short Interest as % of Shares Outstanding: 4.2%
>
> Short Interest as % of Float: 5.0%
>
> Days to Cover Short: 4.644
>
>
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
> --- Fundamental Data ---
>
>
>
> High PE range: 0.000
>
> Low PE range: 0.000
>
> Price/Earnings Growth Ratio: 0.000
>
> Annual Dividend: 0.000
>
>
>
> Cash Flow per Share: 1.461
>
> Long term debt to equity: 0.244
>
> Return on Equity: 12.205
>
> Bookvalue in dollars per share: 10.804
>
>
>
> 1-year growth rate of earnings per share: 14.972
>
> 5-year growth rate of earnings per share: 68.185
>
> One Year Projected EPS Growth: 17.073
>
> Two Year Projected EPS Growth: 17.708
>
> Three Year Projected EPS Growth: 16.000
>
> TTM Sales: 23.617
>
> TTM EPS: 1.110
>
>
>
>
>
> One month price change: 62.00%
>
> Three month price change: 280.00%
>
> Six month price change: 1,100.00%
>
> One year price change: 1,691.00%
>
>
>
> Is there any validity in purchasing *both* products given the redundancy
> of many features in each if I had both? This is idiosyncratic -- I do,
> as each has data and features that I find useful (intraday updates in TC
> so I can quickly scan larger stock watchlists, albeit delayed,
> fundamentals in QP not available in TC, etc). The nominal cost of 25-30
> a month is a fraction of my trading expenses (several trade commissions)
> and I believe they easily pay for themselves -- can't say that about
> other data vendors I've used, however. It is no problem to have both
> databases on the same machine, to export/import scan/exploration results
> between the two (e.g., I scan for low float issues in QP, then send to a
> watchlist in the TC supported AB database to scan against because TC
> doesn't provide float data). As to program features, I really don't use
> either QP or TC programs much -- perhaps I'll look at TC occasionally
> for a fast intraday update to a PCF/EZ Scan generated list.
>
> [Dan] QP does not provide intraday updates to data, only EOD. That's
> about the only benefit that I can think of. But I'm a swing trader. I
> don't trade intraday any more. So that's not an issue for me.
>
>
>
> If I want intraday updates, I can get the data from Interactive Brokers.
> I'm thinking about getting an EOD subscription to eSignal just for the
> one-minute data. Neither TC nor QP provide this. QP only does daily
> data and TC only provides 15 minute bars real time (at $100/month!).
>
>
>
> Also, I do not use the QP charting and analysis tools except maybe to
> audit the data. I believe that Patrick uses TC data to compare to QP
> data. That's another advantage of having both. For me, the cost is
> less of an issue. It's the hassle of keeping two systems updated. For
> me, it's just not worth the hassle.
>
>
>
> 2nd: I am an EOD swing style trader, but would like access on some
> occasions to *intraday* data for optimal entries and exits. Is there a
> way that this data can be obtained easily and cheaply for those times I
> need it, for certain equities? Depends on what you want and how you
> trade -- I time my entries on the shorter trades, and somewhat for the
> longer swings as well. I use intraday updates from TC2005 for delayed
> data (to update a larger database for general scans) and other real-time
> data vendors (for trade, breakout and other watchlist updates) . I do
> not use (or recommend) "free" data, as many years ago I found that it
> was not reliable enough to risk my trading money on (especially
> Quote.com's stuff). It sounds trite, but Robert Heinlein's TANSTAAFL
> (There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch) applies. But it's up to
> you. You might want to check out Medved's QuoteTracker
> (http://www.quotetracker.com/) as a means to track issues and import
> data cheaply/freely to AB. As noted above, I can use intraday data from
> Prophet.net data ( http://www.prophet.net/), PCQuote, and data from my
> brokers in QT and then access it in AB (via the QT plug-in). QT
> supports a number of free and inexpensive data vendors and brokers (see:
> http://www.quotetracker.com/qsources.shtml ), including some in
> Australia. Note as well that if you want intraday data, you will want
> to get the RT version of AB (AB Pro), not the standard.
>
> [Dan] I agree on TANSTFFL. You can get intraday data from Interactive
> Brokers. It's free if you have an account. You can get up to 5 days
> of backfills. I've tried it and it works pretty well. For me, I'm
> just as happy using the charting provided by my broker to fine tune my
> order. But then again, my trading volume is on the order of trades per
> month not trades per day (like Patrick).
>
>
>
> I don't really understand what "backfill" is, but I suspect that has
> something to do with what I'm asking here... Backfill is simply getting
> data for periods prior to the time you start accessing the data (whether
> in AB or some other program). It is data vendor specific. Some data
> vendors provide it (and in varying amounts and periods), others do not
> (see the QT data vendor list for examples). ESignal (www.esignal.com)
> provides 10 days of tick and 120 days of 1 minute historic intraday
> data. Unless you have been accumulating data for a particular issue,
> get a vendor that provides it if you need it. You need it if you want
> to look at intraday support and resistance, pivot points, volume at
> price, etc. to help time your entry. If you've had the stock on a
> watchlist you've been tracking and accumulating intraday data (in AB
> there's no limit to the amount you can accumulate), then you may not
> need it. If you like to trade a stock you've done no workup on but hear
> that there's some news that's moving it, or want to look at recent
> intraday history of a stock that you've identified from an end of day
> scan and added to AB, you need it. Again, you will need AB Pro.
>
> [Dan] Interactive Brokers provide 5 days of backfill.
>
>
>
> 3rd: It is essential to me that GICS breakdowns into Sector/Industry
> Group/Industry etc are available and updated in whatever DB I use. Who
> maintains this - the data supplier or AB? I'm not certain what you mean
> by GICS breakdowns. To me industry and sector assignments are a
> secondary issue, not essential, so I've not spent much time on it. I
> trade patterns principally, but do look for them in Sectors. Generally,
> if your data vendor does it (both QP and TC have their systems of
> assignment) it saves you al lot of time, but you can set up your own in
> AB. You might read Dan's comments or ask him as he is much more attuned
> to this issue, and there was a discussion with in the past couple months
> on sector assignment issues.
>
> [Dan] If you want GICS, you do NOT, repeat NOT, NOT, NOT want Telechart.
> They have a flattened hierarchy with over thirty sectors. They have
> Tobacco as a sector!!! QP uses a mapping that is similar to, but not
> quite like GICS I believe. Actually, I rather like QP's mapping.
>
>
>
> 4th: I realise that QP3 and TC2005 only provide their data for the US
> stock markets. Does anybody know where similar (ie GICS-sorted, OHLC
> and key fundamentals) might be available for ASX (Australian) listed
> stocks? Ask Graham or the other Aussies here and look in the files
> section for the ASX files. ESignal does supply foreign exchange data,
> so do other data vendors. I have no experience with any as I trade the
> US NASDAQ issues almost exclusively. Try GTW - (Google the Web).
>
>
>
> I would need such data to be usable in AB, and again, a cost effective
> solution would be preferred! Is is possible to maintain you own ticker
> lists and somehow use them to gather free EOD data (eg: Yahoo) for use
> in AB, or is this not worth the effort given all of the GICS groupings
> and constant changes etc. Yes, you can set up and manage your own ticker
> list database and use a free data source in AB. But repeat after me, "
> Cheap, Quick, Working" -- pick any 2, but you can't have all three (AB
> is the only exception I know of that proves this rule). If it's Quick
> and Working, it's going to cost more, if it's Cheap and Working, it's
> going to take some time, and if it's Cheap and Quick, it won't work
> well. My time is spent trading, not adjusting data bases (for splits,
> mergers, new tickers, ticker changes, dividends, etc., as well as
> maintaining assignments to Sectors, Industries, etc), so I'm quite
> willing to pay a data vendor to do that, provided they do. QP and TC
> are worth it.
>
> [Dan] I agree completely. One big issue for you will be the Sector and
> Industry mappings. With QP (and TC), you just click a button to import
> all of the Sectors and Industries AND the Stock to Industry/Sector
> mappings.
>
>
>
> As professional database developer, I've built many systems that cleanse
> and manage data. I'm very qualified to do it. But I would NEVER,
> EVER do it for my stock data. Managing data is one serious hassle. I
> don't have the time.
>
>
>
> Pay the bucks to QP, TC, eSignal or whoever and let them do it.
>
>
>
> I am quite adept at writing complex excel formula, so I hope that a)the
> AFL is similar in construction and concept, and that b) I can contribute
> in a worthwhile manner here in the future!! I'm not a programmer, not
> particularly adept (but moderately proficient) in excel, and I've been
> able to learn to program AFL. IMHO, it's not hard. Others are
> certainly better than I and there are some capabilities of AB that I've
> never bothered to learn, but the user group is a great community of
> sharing, Tomasz is a paragon of patience and exemplar of incredible user
> support, and (as Dan has eloquently explained at diverse times) AB is
> like an onion with layers of capability that can be peeled to suit any
> user's needs and abilities. Welcome, good luck and do let us know what
> you come up with.
>
> [Dan] If you can write Excel code, you can probably program AB. You
> will probably have some head-scratching session like you would with any
> analytical/charting tool you buy. It's just part of the learning
> process. When you feel more comfortable with it, you can be more
> aggressive.
>
>
>
> One of the WONDERFUL things about AB is the ability to peel back the
> covers. Just create a chart and insert some indicators into panes.
> Then, right-click on a pane and click "Edit Formula". A window will
> pop up and display the code that creates your chart. You can make a
> few changes, click the "check" button to validate the code, then click
> save. Your changes appear in the chart.
>
>
>
> Or, you can download formulas from the formula library and insert them
> into charts and scans. Most of the things that you will want to
> program have already been coded and exist in the library. Just
> download a copy, try it and then modify to taste. (Tip: Effective
> programmers copy a lot. We haven't the time to waste.)
>
>
>
> For example, here's a simple momentum indicator from the library:
>
> http://www.amibroker.com/library/detail.php?id=539
>
>
>
> And here's a nice looking "MACD and histogram divergence detection" AFL,
> which I just downloaded:
>
> http://www.amibroker.com/library/detail.php?id=562
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Peace and Justice --- Patrick
>
>
>
>
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