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[amibroker] Re: Mutual fund data



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FastTrack maintains accurate timely adjusted MF data back to the 
80's.  There are a couple of other vendors as well.

It's not the pennies that'll give you heartburn ... it's what the 
pennies turn into over longer periods of time i.e. percent.  

But to each his own.

--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "wavemechanic" <fimdot@xxxx> wrote:
>
> The data in Yahoo's first four columns is supplied by CSI and 
takes into account the dividend with "zero" delay.  That data avoids 
the thing that you don't want which is a "jump" in price at each 
dividend date (e.g., $.05 at the end of August) that uncompensated 
data shows.  The data in the first four columns are the same as 
posted by Fidelity and other outfits like BarCharts and 
StockCharts.  The fifth column is added later for information and 
will change when they insert their "information" box.  Do you know 
of a data supplier that does not duplicate the first four columns or 
that has a delay?  
> 
> As for significant figures, again I don't know if Yahoo (CSI) is 
any different from other data suppliers.  The couple that I checked 
all show the same value.  Do you know of data suppliers that carry 
MF data, for example, to 4 decimal places?  In any case, from my 
perspective this is a red herring because rounding to a penny does 
not give me heartburn; I don't trade in fractions of a penny and my 
indicators and style of trading are not sensitive to such increments.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Fred 
>   To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>   Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 3:46 AM
>   Subject: [amibroker] Re: Mutual fund data
> 
> 
>   As you can see from the prices on FSHBX, not only are they 
already a 
>   week late posting the latest adjustment but the adjustment they 
made 
>   to historical prices on 8/31 lost signficant data as well.  This 
is 
>   not as critical or as large with bond funds like these but the 
>   results are the same.
> 
>   6-Oct-05 8.87 8.87 8.87 8.87 0 8.87 
>   5-Oct-05 8.87 8.87 8.87 8.87 0 8.87 
>   4-Oct-05 8.87 8.87 8.87 8.87 0 8.87 
>   3-Oct-05 8.87 8.87 8.87 8.87 0 8.87 
>   30-Sep-05 8.88 8.88 8.88 8.88 0 8.88 
>   29-Sep-05 8.89 8.89 8.89 8.89 0 8.89 
>   28-Sep-05 8.89 8.89 8.89 8.89 0 8.89 
>   27-Sep-05 8.89 8.89 8.89 8.89 0 8.89 
>   26-Sep-05 8.89 8.89 8.89 8.89 0 8.89 
>   23-Sep-05 8.90 8.90 8.90 8.90 0 8.90 
>   22-Sep-05 8.91 8.91 8.91 8.91 0 8.91 
>   21-Sep-05 8.91 8.91 8.91 8.91 0 8.91 
>   20-Sep-05 8.90 8.90 8.90 8.90 0 8.90 
>   19-Sep-05 8.91 8.91 8.91 8.91 0 8.91 
>   16-Sep-05 8.91 8.91 8.91 8.91 0 8.91 
>   15-Sep-05 8.92 8.92 8.92 8.92 0 8.92 
>   14-Sep-05 8.92 8.92 8.92 8.92 0 8.92 
>   13-Sep-05 8.92 8.92 8.92 8.92 0 8.92 
>   12-Sep-05 8.92 8.92 8.92 8.92 0 8.92 
>   9-Sep-05 8.92 8.92 8.92 8.92 0 8.92 
>   8-Sep-05 8.92 8.92 8.92 8.92 0 8.92 
>   7-Sep-05 8.92 8.92 8.92 8.92 0 8.92 
>   6-Sep-05 8.93 8.93 8.93 8.93 0 8.93 
>   2-Sep-05 8.94 8.94 8.94 8.94 0 8.94 
>   1-Sep-05 8.94 8.94 8.94 8.94 0 8.94 
>   31-Aug-05 8.93 8.93 8.93 8.93 0 8.93 
>   31-Aug-05 $ 0.029 Cash Dividend 
>   30-Aug-05 8.91 8.91 8.91 8.91 0 8.88 
> 
> 
>   --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Fred" <ftonetti@xxxx> wrote:
>   >
>   > The problem is the same for MF distributions as it for stocks 
>   > splits.  When vendors, like Yahoo, keep only two significant 
digits 
>   > and MF distributions or stock splits occur over the years, it 
>   doesn't 
>   > take long before the two digit granularity can't resolve 
>   differences 
>   > in price changes of several percent.  In some cases I've seen 
this 
>   be 
>   > 10% or more although it's unlikely to be that high with a bond 
>   fund.  
>   > This provides a totally inaccurate view of historical prices 
which 
>   > not all that long ago appear to have not moved from day to day 
when 
>   > in reality that's hardly the case.
>   > 
>   > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "wavemechanic" <fimdot@xxxx> 
>   wrote:
>   > >
>   > > Why do you say that?  Of course for MFs also.  Look at the 
>   attached 
>   > gif for FSHBX.  Yahoo gives both adjusted and unadjusted 
close.  If 
>   > you want adjusted, data can be adjusted either manually or 
>   > automatically, depending on the downloading software being 
used.
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > > ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > >   From: Fred 
>   > >   To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>   > >   Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:49 AM
>   > >   Subject: [amibroker] Re: Mutual fund data
>   > > 
>   > > 
>   > >   For stocks yes ... Not for MF's
>   > > 
>   > >   --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "wavemechanic" 
<fimdot@xxxx> 
>   > wrote:
>   > >   >
>   > >   > Looking at Yahoo, for example, their data is adjusted 
and all 
>   > >   fields contain the close.  Data is supplied by CSI which 
is 
>   > reported 
>   > >   to be one of the best.
>   > >   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   > >   >   From: Fred 
>   > >   >   To: amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>   > >   >   Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 12:44 AM
>   > >   >   Subject: [amibroker] Re: Mutual fund data
>   > >   > 
>   > >   > 
>   > >   >   Most vendors don't do MF data well if for no other 
reason 
>   > than 
>   > >   almost 
>   > >   >   none of them adjust for dividends and/or distributions 
and 
>   > out of 
>   > >   the 
>   > >   >   couple that do, most of them do not do so on a timely 
basis.
>   > >   > 
>   > >   >   --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "dalengo" 
<dalengo@xxxx> 
>   > wrote:
>   > >   >   >
>   > >   >   > Important issue indeed... This may depend on data 
>   quality: 
>   > >   >   > e.g. Yahoo data is rather poor quality, so that some 
MFs 
>   > have 
>   > >   OHL !
>   > >   >   = 
>   > >   >   > C, and this may cause tremendous distortion of the 
>   > indicator. 
>   > >   >   > However, I am not sure I've seen than IB won't spot 
it...
>   > >   >   > Could you please check on your data to see if there 
is a 
>   > >   problem?
>   > >   >   > 
>   > >   >   > --- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "wavemechanic" 
>   > <fimdot@xxxx> 
>   > >   >   wrote:
>   > >   >   > >
>   > >   >   > > Would appreciate it if someone could explain how 
AA 
>   deals 
>   > >   with 
>   > >   >   > mutual fund data.  I ask because I found out after 
hours 
>   of 
>   > >   banging 
>   > >   >   > my 
>   > >   >   > head against the wall that indicators produced 
incorrect 
>   > >   results in 
>   > >   >   > AA 
>   > >   >   > when using daily mutual fund data.  Although all 
price 
>   > fields 
>   > >   are 
>   > >   >   > filled with C, it is necessary to assign C to O, H, 
L 
>   a;and 
>   > >   then 
>   > >   >   all 
>   > >   >   > is OK.  If a weekly timeframe is used, this is not 
>   > necessary.  
>   > >   >   > What's 
>   > >   >   > going on?
>   > >   >   > > 
>   > >   >   > > Bill
>   > >   >   > >
>   > >   >   >
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