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DT:
 
I love your simple view of life.  Yes, I am sure 
that the basics of EW (5 up, 3 down, etc.) can be defined (Dan's Fibonacci 
pattern code is a good start).  But reality sets in very quickly and 
one has to consider non-ideal situations where subjective and complimentary 
analyses are used.  The simple part is the coding, the tough part is 
dealing with the "infinite" number of situations in which non-EW factors are 
taken into account in making judgments about the final EW count.  And then, 
of course, there is the small complication that there are at least three schools 
of EW analysis and they all produce different counts except for the simplest 
situations.  Why do you think that some of the programs give the user the 
option to insert their own count?  Oh, and by the way, why do you think 
that the commercial programs often produce different counts in less than ideal 
situations?
 
You say "<FONT 
size=2>code may reproduce exactly what you do manually" and that 
"subjective EW counting may be coded."  
You obviously have not looked 
into EW and believe that it comes down to some easily definable rules 
and that even subjective evaluation can be defined and thereby rendered 
objective or "manual."  Except for simple patterns, EW is often not a 
manual, mechanical exercise in which subjectivity morphs into objectivity, 
although that is the thrust of Neely's work but I doubt that he thinks he 
has reached that goal.  Consider the problem that you encountered of coding 
a simple H&S pattern and the fact that some users agreed with the output and 
others did not.  Multiply that situation by 10 ^ 20  and you will be 
in the EW world.  We are not yet dealing with artificial 
intelligence.
 

As for the commercial programs, if 
they produce different counts, or 
counts that change as new data is obtained, which one is right?  IMO, 
the one that produces the same count as the user which in turn requires that the 
user be expert in the subject.  EW programs should, I believe, used as 
an aid and not a replacement, although to be sure many take a 
leap of faith and assume that they can use them in "cruise 
control."
 
However, far be it from me to discourage 
you.  You are a good AFL programming technician, but if you are interested 
in attempting to program this type of analysis I suggest that you first become 
expert in the subject, including the various routes taken by the commercial 
programs, before embarking on this lifelong quest.  This is the reason, I 
suspect, that many use EW only as background (e.g., is the market in an 
impulsive or corrective mode) in conjunction with other analyses.  
This is a relatively trivial use of EW that 
is quite different from those that investigate every nuance and/or use it for 
trading signals.
 
Keep us updated on your progress and good 
luck.
 
Bill
 
 
 
-- Original Message ----- 
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  >From: 
  DIMITRIS 
  TSOKAKIS 
  To: <A title=amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  href="">amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:22 
  AM
  Subject: [amibroker] Re: Identifying 
  Elliott Waves using AFL
  Bill, come on !!If you describe what you do manually, then 
  it may be coded in AFL. Useful or not is another topic, but it is not a 
  reason not to code it.A code may reproduce exactly what you do manually 
  and you may equally trust it.Any subjective EW counting may be coded 
  in AFL, especially if there are other softwares in the market doing the 
  job. What do these softwares have behind the curtain ? Nothing but a 
  "language" by far worse compared to AFL. And, in last analysis, these 
  "specific" softwares could not even dream the rest AFL 
  applications.Dimitris Tsokakis--- In <A 
  href="">amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, 
  "wavemechanic" <wd78@x...> wrote:> 
  >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: 
  buzzmr >   To: <A 
  href="">amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  >   Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 10:35 
  PM>   Subject: [amibroker] Identifying Elliott Waves using 
  AFL> > >   Has anyone here attempted to use 
  AmiBroker's AFL code to identify and >   mark Elliott 
  Wave 'legs' on a chart?  I would think this is rather 
  >   involved, but any feedback and/or suggested coding would 
  be >   appreciated.  Thanks!!> 
  >   Not only very involved, but since EW counts are often 
  quite subjective I doubt that you would trust the code to duplicate what 
  you do manually.  There are several programs that do provide 
  counts.  You might try them on a trial basis to see if any of them 
  provide a count under a variety of conditions and markets that you are 
  happy with.  I never reached a satisfactory comfort level with those 
  programs and doubt that anyone starting from scratch will exceed their 
  performance.> >   Buzz> > > 
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