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[amibroker] Re: Comments on Van Tharp courses please



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VT says:

People are always looking for the "real" secrets of trading success, 
but their mental biases always have them looking in the wrong places 
and at the wrong things. Consequently, they search for magical 
trading systems with 75% accuracy or better or for great entry 
systems that they think will help them pick the right stock. Picking 
the right stock has nothing to do with success and neither does the 
accuracy of your stock picking.

He also acknowledges this at 

http://www.iitm.com/seminars/Trading-game.htm

"I have found the game to very helpful, and I've played it over and 
over again with different money management programs. It's one thing 
to read about the mind traps that traders create regarding 
probabilities and the gambler's fallacy, or to read that random 
number series can contain protracted winning and losing streaks, but 
playing a simulation that feels like trading really drives home the 
lessons about disciple, systems, and expectancy. Playing the game 
over time helps reinforce the idea that you get the same probability 
distributions as everyone else, and that your trading plan will need 
to address this fact through money management, position sizing, 
trading rules etc.

I have found that it also helps you change the way you frame the 
activity of trading, because the game focuses on systems results and 
strips away entries, setups and the other false control illusions 
that traders inevitably get wrapped up in. At first it didn't feel 
like trading, because it didn't focus on the things that I did when 
I traded, but gradually it did.

It dawned on me that I might not be focusing on the right areas. The 
opportunity to view a trading system as the random distribution of 
hundreds or thousands of independent trials changed my view about my 
ability to "change the markets", and focusing on maximizing system 
outcomes has given me a fresh perspective on trading, systems 
development, and risk. —Alan Stevens, Boulder CO

This is what Dr. Alexander elder says in "Trading for a Living" - an 
international best seller:

Successful trading depends on 3 Ms - Mind, Method, Money.

Mind refers to your trading Psychology.  Your must follow certain 
Psychological rules that lead to winning when faithfully applied and 
avoid pitfalls that become death traps for most losers.  

Method refers to how you find your trades - how you decide what to 
buy and sell.  Each trader needs a method for specific stocks, 
options, or futures as well as rules for "pulling the trigger" - 
deciding exactly when to buy and sell.

Money refers to how you manage your capital.  You may have a 
brilliant trading system, but if your MM is poor, you are guaranteed 
to lose money.  A single unlucky trade can destroy your account if 
MM is not in place.

People ask me sometimes which of the 3 is most important.  I 
answer  - imagine sitting on a 3 legged stool. It is pretty stable, 
but try getting comfortable sitting on that stool after taking away 
any of its 3 legs.  Now please tell me which of the 3 legs is most 
important?

VT considers Method as "false control illusions", while AE considers 
it as an integral part of any successful system.

Draw your own conclusions.

rgds, Pal



--- In amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Franco Gornati 
<francogornati@xxxx> wrote:
> quanttrader714 wrote:
> 
> > Where are you getting random systems from?  Van Tharp 
specifically
> > says that a system must have a positive expectancy to make 
money.  In
> > other words, an edge.  Nothing random about that.  Does this 
mean the
> > concept of randomness has no valid role to play?  Absolutely not.
> 
> Mark, expectancy is only drawn from a *random* variable. You 
should know
> its distribution. How do you know its distribution? It's 
subjective, it
> doesn't 'exist', you guess it, it depends on information.
> Be careful not to confuse randomness with zero expectancy.
> 
> Franco



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