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Hi Tomasz,
Saturday, October 4, 2003, 6:59:21 AM, you wrote:
TJ> The original intention of QE was to allow the user to manually
TJ> fix a couple of bars and to allow to add artificial quote for the
TJ> future if she/he wanted to see how given indicator would behave.
>> As I'm sure you know, the Downloader, a separate program from
>> Metastock, can be sized and placed right on top of a trading screen.
>> How about making the QE window like that? Is this difficult?
>> I have no idea. If not, can you please do it?
TJ> You have almost answered your own question: the downloader is a separate program.
TJ> Exactly. And it behaves as separate program so you switch it by task bar.
TJ> Quote Editor in AmiBroker is integral part of AB and is implemented as dialog
TJ> within AB's main frame window. The same way every other windows applicaiton behaves.
TJ> You want me to make QE behaving like separate application: well it would be possible
TJ> if it is made separate from AB (or by implementing a 'hack'
TJ> to standard behaviour of Windows).
TJ> Although possible I am a little bit reluctant to do so
TJ> because of breaking standards.
>> If it presents a serious
>> problem, please let us know so we can stop bothering you about it.
>> Microsoft knows NOTHING about TA programs. Citing their "standards"
>> for window behavior means nothing. No one cares much about
>> Microsoft; they care about getting their work done. That is all I
>> care about -- getting my work done as easily as possible. The QE
>> window makes my work very hard to do.
TJ> Well you may ignore all that Microsoft had said about user interface but
TJ> standards in my private opinion are good. Could you imagine the mess when
TJ> every application got its "File" menu somewhere else ?
TJ> Please understand my point of view - every non-standard solution causes lots
TJ> of confusion -> support issues, etc.
I do understand this, Tomasz, really. And I do think there is a
certain need for standards -- the "File" menu item is an excellent
example. But there is also a time when a standard interferes with
functionality, and I think that is the case with a QE window that
cannot be focused independently of the main AB window.
TJ> What I think is that we should not be discussing QE but should be looking for some
TJ> Japanese data vendor that can be somehow interfaced with AB.
TJ> Maybe via script or something.
TJ> I really belive that there must be a way to get your data without the need to make you
TJ> typing the quotes. Once done, you will forget about QE at all.
If I could get RT data that I could pump into AB, you are absolutely
right -- I would forget that there was a QE. But I just can't find
it. For some reason, information here in Tokyo is treated as a
privileged secret, especially where it concerns stocks. We can get
short data, for example, only once a week, and then it is about one
week behind, so the insiders know more about what is happening than
the outsiders, and I'm sure they like to keep it that way. This
information could be made available EOD of course -- the entire
exchange is electronic, there is no "trading floor" any longer -- but
it's in the interest of insiders to release this information only
when it has aged enough to possibly be even misleading, in other
words, when it is largely meaningless as anything other than a
historical curiosity. ^_^
You might also notice that every once in a while the ^225 stops
functioning on Yahoo. Just the main index quote on the "World
Markets" page; it suddenly won't get updated for several days, while
every other market in the world is updating just fine. I am told this
is a recurring contractual problem between the TSE and Yahoo, and
that the TSE has the highest rates in the world for simple
information like this, and the tightest regulations on how it can be
used (the amount of time delay, for example).
Another example: It is only *very* recently that some Japanese
companies have gone to quarterly reporting. It used to be a
six-month, or even annual, reporting, which led to huge price swings
from fundamental surprises. Naturally, that favors those in the know
at the expense of those not in the club.
TJ> By the way eSignal recently added Australian (ASX) and New Zealand RT quotes
TJ> as they promised more than year ago, so maybe support for
TJ> Japan stock exchange is not that far.
I sure hope so. I long for this day. But while it's not uncommon
for vendors to carry Oz and Nz markets, it's uncommon to find Tokyo.
There are a lot of vendors here, but the systems are all proprietary
platforms, and they apparently want to keep the data within those
platforms, which they charge outrageous prices for. (I think the
theory is that they can't make a killing selling data, but if they
can bind you to a platform they can gouge you.)
My RT data comes via E-Trade Japan right now. But they are not the
actual provider, they get the data from Reuters, which bought Bridge
Channel, and the trading screen is still actually a Bridge screen,
even using that old domain name -- you can see it on the address bar
after you click the link to it and log in. Reuters simply put their
own trademarks in there over Bridge's after they bought them out, and
now Reuters allows E-Trade Japan to paste their logos over Reuters'.
So tantalizing to have the data flowing swiftly and surely into my
computer, but to be unable to capture it and pipe it to AB. Maybe
you could talk to the Reuters folks about how to do it, or maybe
strike some kind of arrangement with them? I don't know. Of course
Reuters doesn't want to offer competition with their own platform,
I'm sure. I do get a real time data flow, however. I just can't use
it outside Power E-Trade except by the hand entry method, hence my QE
problems, which wasn't a problem when I used MS. But I no longer use
MS, Tomasz, and that's your fault. ^^_^^ So please fix this if you
can. ^_-
TJ> Once again: really there must be some data vendor in Japan that
TJ> will allow to interface some 3rd party app. (I would investigate
TJ> it myself if only I could read Japanese :-O)
I can . . . and I can't find one. There are proprietary platforms of
course (at really atrocious prices), but nothing I can find that will
allow me to use the data outside of the proprietary platform. DLQ
allows it of course, but they are EOD only. I will continue to
search, however. Whatever you can do in the meantime either to help
me pipe this data into AB, or make the QE easier to work with, is
appreciated.
The odd thing about it is that we are number two worldwide in
broadband penetration (South Korea is number one I am told). Plain
old dial-up is almost impossible to find here now, and high speed
fiber optic is a national project virtually realized. So our
infrastructure is ready, and this is the kind of thing (better access
to data) that would make more people invest in equities with their
very large savings, instead of keeping the money at home (yes, at
home, the sale of home safes is a very large business here) or
otherwise idle (also something of a national goal, although much less
well formulated than the broadband plan). But the government doesn't
seem to know what to do in order to truly level the playing field, or
else they are in bed with the information hoarders (the much more
likely case of course).
Best,
Yuki
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