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David-
There may not be a perfect solution. If it takes 6 months for the first buy
signal to be generated by the system under test and the buy/hold has already
appreciated significantly I think that seems important to know in doing a fair
comparison to buy/hold.
Further, I think the original question related to comparing two systems that had
different times for the first signal, say three months and six months. By your
method they each have a different buy/hold value that they are measured against
-- even though, I believe, they are really measured against the exact same data
set.
For rigorous analysts, one should not start an analysis until the date when all
indicators or devices (e.g. moving averages, etc., if they are used) have "grown
in" to correct values.
In summary, I would like for the buy to take place on the date that I set as the
start date and the end date to be the final price for calculation purposes. For
each analysis over the same time period the buy/hold would provide the same
result regardless of when the first system trade takes place.
Regards,
-Tom McDaniel
David Holzgrefe wrote:
> Hi John R and others
>
> I have been thinking about this
> And have come to the conclusion the way IHMO AB calculates the buy/hold is
> correct .
>
> If on day 1 your buy and hold to end date this is the result
> now if you wish to see how your indicator performs compared to buy/hold
>
> You could run the scan 1 st then look for the 1st date that the afl signals
> a buy then adjust your testing period to suit .
>
> That way you would get a better picture of how it performed over the period
> compared to buy/hold .
>
> David
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Holzgrefe" <dtholz@xxxx>
> To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 10:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: buy and hold results change
>
> > John R
> > I Think I follow you suggestion/ inquiry
> >
> > the Buy/hold starts the calculation from the first period in the range
> > condition ,
> > When if fact the AFL will may not start calculations for say xn periods
> > after the date.
> >
> > Giving a unequal comparison ?
> >
> > an example would be ..
> > we set our search for a cross over of a mov but because the stock in a
> > steady up trend the mov afl is not triggered for several months when a
> small
> > pull back occurs ..trigging the afl but the buy/hold has started counting
> > the returns from day 1 of the range period ..
> >
> > A valid point John I haven't look to confirm if this is the way AB does
> the
> > calculation.
> > This would explain why its hard to best the buy/hold .
> >
> > included is a image of an example search
> > some unexpected results maybe the sell = sell OR lastbar; doesn't get
> > counted in the calculations for the afl ?
> >
> > Please excuse me if I'm barking up the wrong tree ( got it wrong)
> > but I thought I would post a detailed answer so as newer ppl could get a
> > hold on the question .
> >
> > range was set to 12 mth 06.06.2000 to06.06.2001
> >
> > TJ will know
> >
> >
> > Regards David
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John R" <jrdrp@xxxx>
> > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 8:40 AM
> > Subject: Re: [amibroker] Re: buy and hold results change
> >
> >
> > > IMO Buy & Hold calculations should be based on prices at start and end
> > dates
> > > of date range under test. Using date of first signal would not give
> > results
> > > which could be used to fairly compare different systems fairly. Consider
> > for
> > > example the case of a system which does not generate its' first buy
> signal
> > > until say 6 months into the period under test, during which stock has
> > > already risen say 20%.
> > >
> > > John
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <cliffelion@xxxx>
> > > To: <amibroker@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 3:12 PM
> > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: buy and hold results change
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi David,
> > > >
> > > > I am using the same timeframe, stocks and analysis settings. When I
> > > > change systems the analysis results change as expected - but so do
> > > > the buy and hold results. I want to use the buy and hold as the
> > > > baseline to compare the different systems so I'm not sure how to
> > > > compare the systems when the buy and hold results change.
> > > >
> > > > AMI may be using the buy point of the system to start the buy and
> > > > hold calculation - which means that the system is influencing the buy
> > > > and hold.
> > > >
> > > > This may be OK - but I would be interested to know if there are other
> > > > methods for comparing systems.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Cliff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In amibroker@xxxx, "David Holzgrefe" <dtholz@xxxx> wrote:
> > > > > I'm not sure if I follow what you mean Cliff
> > > > > But if you change the system triggers? then I would expect that the
> > > > buy sell
> > > > > condition would change.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards David
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: <cliffelion@xxxx>
> > > > > To: <amibroker@xxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 4:40 PM
> > > > > Subject: [amibroker] buy and hold results change
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > When I perform back tests over the same time period with the same
> > > > > > stocks, I find that the buy and hold results change when I use
> > > > > > different systems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I assume that this is because the buy and hold starts calculating
> > > > > > when the system triggers a buy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does anyone know if this is true???
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cliff Elion
> > > > > >
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