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you all are failing to realize the time when market maker makes their  money,
when a  buy program  hit the floor,!!!!!
it does not only buy 10000spy every 5 seconds,
it buys  ge,intc,msft,and the others that  represents large%  of dow and sp like ibm etc,
when that happen,,, you  the market maker
has to sell from your inventory
you just  increase the spread between bid and ask  from 10c to 15 cents
and  to make money they also buy at mkt the future and calls
all with a touch of 1 computer
and then sell the calls and futures, when program ends,
this in normal time represents 11% of volume on the nyse
and you can look today, in market lab  of barrons'
now more than 25% of volume
spy volume is  days exceed 250 million!!!
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: RajaCar
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [TimeandCycles] Re: Richard Ney on the Role of the Specialist

Thanks bearly,

Yes, the specialist had the advanced inside knowledge when the large Buy Orders and Sell orders were ahead of time, as they are on the floor, so they just had to join the group to make lots of money. This is what one insider, who had a son in training told me a couple of years ago,  I wasn't aware that has changed over time.


Ian

--- On Sun, 11/9/08, bearlythere4444 <no_reply@xxxxxxxxxxs.com> wrote:
From: bearlythere4444 <no_reply@xxxxxxxxxxs.com>
Subject: [TimeandCycles] Re: Richard Ney on the Role of the Specialist
To: TimeandCycles@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 9:03 AM

Ian,

The specialist definitely had an advantage in the past, but it's
greatly reduced (almost to the point of irrelevance) now.

I would say the advantage the specialist had in the past was not that
he could "control" prices, but that he saw where prices were GOING to

go on a short term basis, and he positioned himself to take advantage
of that.

Because the specialist was the only one who had access to the book,
and because all trades had to take place in the presence of the
specialist, the specialist was the only one who saw everyone else's
cards. He could see the buyers others couldn't, and when he saw
buyers, he got long (ahead of other buyers and others who eventually
saw the same trend). It didn't work the other way around - the
specialist didn't decide in advance to send prices up. He wanted to
make money, not control the stock direction. If the market forces
were going to drive a stock down, he had no interest in standing in
front of that, he just wanted to be along for the ride.

Additionally, since the big firms wanted the specialist to cooperate
with them rather than use his advantage against them, firms would
often give the specialist warning about big buy orders, inside
information, etc.

As Francis points out, specialists firms are doing very poorly these
days. Most trades don't even go through the NYSE anymore, so the
specialist is not much of an obstacle. For a long time, firms have
been able to take the juicy trades away to other exchanges and shut
the specialist out. While the specialist in the old days might be
offered the opportunity to participate (to keep him from getting even
in the future), the role of the specialist has been so diminished
that he is no longer feared and need not be included.

Additionally, in the past, specialists controlled a large part of the
short term trading capital. Getting assignments of stocks was a plum
(order ticket fees as well as being able the ability to decide on
each trade whether to buy or sell ahead of the public), so it went to
the most successful, influential floor firms.

In this day of 40-1 leverage and trillions in hedge funds, it is
trivial to run over the specialist.

--- In TimeandCycles@yahoogroups.com, RajaCar <koesje1958@x..> wrote:
>
> http://w3.tribcsp.com/~fredj/ney.html
> Richard Ney on the Role
>
> of the Specialist
>
>
>
> by Michael Templain, a
>
> fellow Bender
>
>
>
> Fred Jacquot, the big Bender, le Gros Ventre as it were, has asked
>
> me to provide a better, if somewhat longer, explanation of the
writings
>
> of Richard Ney; a task I am happy to perform.
>
>
>
> "The story is told that after he had been deported to Italy,
>
> Lucky Luciano granted an interview in which he described a visit to
the
>
> floor of the New York Stock Exchange. When the operations of floor
specialists
>
> had been explained to him, he said, 'A terrible thing happened. I
realized
>
> I'd joined the wrong mob'" (1Ney, 8).
>
>
>
> It was with these words that Richard Ney began his first of three
>
> books on the nature of the New York Stock Exchange. Ney wrote over
20 years
>
> ago, a time when a 750 Dow was high and today's volumes were beyond
imagining.
>
> Some of his material is dated, and must be read in the light in
which it
>
> was written. But the main premise of his books is still true: that
the specialist
>
> exists not to ensure the free and orderly trade of stock in a
particular
>
> company, but to fatten upon the innocence and ignorance of the
small investor.
>
>
>
> The New York Stock Exchange is not an auction market (2Ney, 86),
though
>
> many investors still hold onto that image. It is a rigged market.
Volume
>
> is an effect of price. Prices are controlled absolutely by the
specialists,
>
> the 'market makers' in individual stocks. It was this discovery
that led
>
> Mr. Ney to eventually give us small investors a priceless gift:
enlightenment.
>
>
>
> "Studying the transactions in each stock, I became immediately
>
> conscious that, on too many occasion to be a coincidence, a stock
would
>
> advance from its morning low and then, often during the afternoon,
would
>
> show an up-tick of a half-point or more on a large block of
anywhere from
>
> 1,500 to 5,000 or more shares. This transaction seemed to herald a
transformation
>
> in what was taking place, for immediately thereafter the stock
would begin
>
> to drop like Newton's apple. Before I could find out what caused
this, another
>
> question presented itself: What caused the same thing to happen at
the low
>
> point in that stock's decline? For it was also apparent that a
block of
>
> stock of the same size often appeared on a down-tick of a half-
point or
>
> more, after which the stock quickly rallied. Together these two
facts seemed
>
> to give a stock's pattern continuity. At the end of several days of
investigation,
>
> I discovered that these transactions at the top and bottom of a
stock's
>
> price pattern were for the specialist's own account. ... Clod that
I was,
>
> I had at last recognized that, although the study of human nature
may not
>
> be fashionable among economists, it is never out of season" (2Ney,
>
> 9).
>
>
>
> The specialist is part of a system. First, he is part of that rare
>
> fraternity of men who are all specialists in an exchange. It is a
small
>
> private club, to whose membership one can only be born. The
specialists
>
> of the Dow 30 exhibit the spirit of 'all for one, and one for
all'.
If one
>
> of the 30 is having problems, the other 29 wait for him, before
they move
>
> onto their next agreed upon campaign (2Ney, 172). The rest of the
specialists
>
> take their lead from watching the Dow 30.
>
>
>
> But the system is more extensive and more powerful than just the
specialists.
>
> The specialists are the heart of the exchange. The exchange, in
turn, has
>
> practical control of the major corporations, banks, insurance
companies,
>
> and brokerage houses in this country. These, in turn, influence
news reporting
>
> and the regulatory agencies.
>
>
>
> ADVANTAGES OF BEING A SPECIALIST
>
>
>
> The specialist has many advantages, many tools to use to pry dollars
>
> from unsuspecting investors and mutual funds. Chief among these
advantages
>
> is his book. In his book he can see at a glance all the buy and
sell orders
>
> from the public and the funds. His book tells him of potentially
massive
>
> sales above and below his current price. This gives him a great
advantage
>
> when he is trading on his own investment and omnibus accounts.
>
>
>
> Because of his book, the specialist sees shifts in trends long
before
>
> anyone else. This gives him a great advantage. The specialist will
buy heavily
>
> at the bottom of a slide (at wholesale) then advance prices and
sell, at
>
> heavy volume, at the peak of the rally (retail). He will then sell
short
>
> and take prices down. The turning points of a rally will be marked
by heavly
>
> volume in the Dow 30 (3Ney, 85-89).
>
>
>
> When he desires he can even make large block trades without entering
>
> them into his book. In this way the public is never made aware of
those
>
> trades. Should the specialist want to supply a buy or sell order
from his
>
> own accounts, rather than from public orders on book, he can and
will do
>
> so (1Ney, 156). Ney cites specific examples when his customers
orders were
>
> ignored while the specialist completed orders for his own accounts.
>
>
>
> When serving as the market maker, the broker's broker, the
specialist
>
> trades from his Trading Account, which is to be used to service the
needs
>
> of the market. However, he also has Investment Accounts (plural).
His Segregated
>
> Investment Accounts put him directly into competition with every
other investor
>
> in his stock. The reason for he has segregated investment accounts
is that
>
> they enable him to convert regular income into long-term capital
gains (1Ney,
>
> 113).
>
>
>
> In addition, he also trades on Omnibus accounts, taking orders from
>
> a friendly bank on behalf of friends, family, and himself (1Ney,
58). Although
>
> he is not allowed to be both long and short in his Trading account,
he can
>
> take the opposite stance in his Investment or Omnibus accounts
(3Ney, 130).
>
>
>
> A Specialist will often not have any shares in his trading or
omnibus
>
> accounts. If public demand for shares suddenly increases, the
Specialist
>
> is more than happy to supply those shares to the public by short
selling.
>
> This, of course, forces the Specialist to take the price down soon
thereafter,
>
> so that he may cover his short sales at the lower price. Or, the
Specialist
>
> may sell from his Investment Accounts, establishing a middle or
long term
>
> high (1Ney, 61), and then take the price down. Whichever strategy
he employs,
>
> a large public demand for stock ultimately drives the price of that
stock
>
> down, not up.
>
>
>
> Distribution of large amounts of stock can be done from the
specialist's
>
> trading account, usually as short sales. The trading account can
then be
>
> covered by transferring stock from the long-term investment
accounts into
>
> the trading account (1Ney, 64).
>
>
>
> The existence of the specialist's Investment and Omnibus Accounts
>
> is ultimately detrimental to the public. "In a stock with only a
small
>
> capitalization or floating supply, the segregation of large blocks
into
>
> long-term investment accounts for the specialist further decreases
the supply
>
> of the stock available to the public" (1Ney, 61)
>
>
>
> The specialist has absolute control over price. He can match the
buys
>
> with the sells in any way he sees fit. He can raise the price of
the stock
>
> 3 points in three trades, and open the next day down 5.
>
>
>
> The seeming unpredictability of stock prices is due to the fact that
>
> prices exist at the whim of the specialist. A stock is only worth
what the
>
> specialist is willing to pay for it at the moment. The fluctuations
you
>
> see are, in fact, the evidence of how the specialist is working out
his
>
> inventory problems to meet his short-term, intermediate-term, and
long-term
>
> goals (2Ney, 172). The specialist will sometimes 'leap frog' his
prices
>
> up or down, creating a gap. This is done to keep a group of
investors from
>
> buying or selling at a particular price. 'Leap Frogs' show
specialist intent.
>
> Read the whole article here:
> http://w3.tribcsp.com/~fredj/ney.html
>



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