you all are failing to realize the time when market
maker makes their money,
when a buy program hit the
floor,!!!!!
it does not only buy 10000spy every 5
seconds,
it buys ge,intc,msft,and the others
that represents large% of dow and sp like ibm etc,
when that happen,,, you the market
maker
has to sell from your inventory
you just increase the spread between
bid and ask from 10c to 15
cents
and to make money they also buy at mkt the
future and calls
all with a touch of 1 computer
and then sell the calls and futures, when program
ends,
this in normal time represents 11% of volume on the
nyse
and you can look today, in market lab of
barrons'
now more than 25% of volume
spy volume is days exceed 250
million!!!
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Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:24
AM
Subject: Re: [TimeandCycles] Re: Richard
Ney on the Role of the Specialist
Thanks bearly,
Yes, the specialist had
the advanced inside knowledge when the large Buy Orders and Sell orders
were ahead of time, as they are on the floor, so they just had to join
the group to make lots of money. This is what one insider, who had a son
in training told me a couple of years ago, I wasn't aware that has
changed over time.
Ian
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From:
bearlythere4444 <no_reply@xxxxxxxxxxs.com> Subject:
[TimeandCycles] Re: Richard Ney on the Role of the Specialist To:
TimeandCycles@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, November 9,
2008, 9:03 AM
Ian,
The specialist definitely had an advantage in the past, but it's greatly reduced (almost to the point of irrelevance) now.
I would say the advantage the specialist had in the past was not that he could "control" prices, but that he saw where prices were GOING to
go on a short term basis, and he positioned himself to take advantage of that.
Because the specialist was the only one who had access to the book, and because all trades had to take place in the presence of the specialist, the specialist was the only one who saw everyone else's
cards. He could see the buyers others couldn't, and when he saw buyers, he got long (ahead of other buyers and others who eventually saw the same trend). It didn't work the other way around - the specialist didn't decide in advance to send prices up. He wanted to make money, not control the stock direction. If the market forces were going to drive a stock down, he had no interest in standing in front of that, he just wanted to be along for the ride.
Additionally, since the big firms wanted the specialist to cooperate with them rather than use his advantage against them, firms would often give the specialist warning about big buy orders, inside information, etc.
As Francis points out, specialists firms are doing very poorly these days. Most trades don't even go through the NYSE anymore, so the specialist is not much of an obstacle. For a long time, firms have been able to take the juicy
trades away to other exchanges and shut the specialist out. While the specialist in the old days might be offered the opportunity to participate (to keep him from getting even in the future), the role of the specialist has been so diminished that he is no longer feared and need not be included.
Additionally, in the past, specialists controlled a large part of the short term trading capital. Getting assignments of stocks was a plum (order ticket fees as well as being able the ability to decide on each trade whether to buy or sell ahead of the public), so it went to the most successful, influential floor firms.
In this day of 40-1 leverage and trillions in hedge funds, it is trivial to run over the specialist.
--- In TimeandCycles@yahoogroups.com, RajaCar <koesje1958@x..> wrote: > > http://w3.tribcsp.com/~fredj/ney.html > Richard Ney on the Role > > of the
Specialist > > > > by Michael Templain, a > > fellow Bender > > > > Fred Jacquot, the big Bender, le Gros Ventre as it were, has asked > > me to provide a better, if somewhat longer, explanation of the writings > > of Richard Ney; a task I am happy to perform. > > > > "The story is told that after he had been deported to Italy, > > Lucky Luciano granted an interview in which he described a visit to the > > floor of the New York Stock Exchange. When the operations of floor specialists > > had been explained to him, he said, 'A terrible thing happened. I realized > > I'd joined the wrong mob'" (1Ney, 8). > > > > It was with these words that Richard Ney began his first of three > > books on the nature of the New York Stock
Exchange. Ney wrote over 20 years > > ago, a time when a 750 Dow was high and today's volumes were beyond imagining. > > Some of his material is dated, and must be read in the light in which it > > was written. But the main premise of his books is still true: that the specialist > > exists not to ensure the free and orderly trade of stock in a particular > > company, but to fatten upon the innocence and ignorance of the small investor. > > > > The New York Stock Exchange is not an auction market (2Ney, 86), though > > many investors still hold onto that image. It is a rigged market. Volume > > is an effect of price. Prices are controlled absolutely by the specialists, > > the 'market makers' in individual stocks. It was this discovery that led > > Mr. Ney to eventually
give us small investors a priceless gift: enlightenment. > > > > "Studying the transactions in each stock, I became immediately > > conscious that, on too many occasion to be a coincidence, a stock would > > advance from its morning low and then, often during the afternoon, would > > show an up-tick of a half-point or more on a large block of anywhere from > > 1,500 to 5,000 or more shares. This transaction seemed to herald a transformation > > in what was taking place, for immediately thereafter the stock would begin > > to drop like Newton's apple. Before I could find out what caused this, another > > question presented itself: What caused the same thing to happen at the low > > point in that stock's decline? For it was also apparent that a block of > > stock of the same
size often appeared on a down-tick of a half- point or > > more, after which the stock quickly rallied. Together these two facts seemed > > to give a stock's pattern continuity. At the end of several days of investigation, > > I discovered that these transactions at the top and bottom of a stock's > > price pattern were for the specialist's own account. ... Clod that I was, > > I had at last recognized that, although the study of human nature may not > > be fashionable among economists, it is never out of season" (2Ney, > > 9). > > > > The specialist is part of a system. First, he is part of that rare > > fraternity of men who are all specialists in an exchange. It is a small > > private club, to whose membership one can only be born. The specialists > > of the Dow 30
exhibit the spirit of 'all for one, and one for all'. If one > > of the 30 is having problems, the other 29 wait for him, before they move > > onto their next agreed upon campaign (2Ney, 172). The rest of the specialists > > take their lead from watching the Dow 30. > > > > But the system is more extensive and more powerful than just the specialists. > > The specialists are the heart of the exchange. The exchange, in turn, has > > practical control of the major corporations, banks, insurance companies, > > and brokerage houses in this country. These, in turn, influence news reporting > > and the regulatory agencies. > > > > ADVANTAGES OF BEING A SPECIALIST > > > > The specialist has many advantages, many tools to use to pry dollars > > from
unsuspecting investors and mutual funds. Chief among these advantages > > is his book. In his book he can see at a glance all the buy and sell orders > > from the public and the funds. His book tells him of potentially massive > > sales above and below his current price. This gives him a great advantage > > when he is trading on his own investment and omnibus accounts. > > > > Because of his book, the specialist sees shifts in trends long before > > anyone else. This gives him a great advantage. The specialist will buy heavily > > at the bottom of a slide (at wholesale) then advance prices and sell, at > > heavy volume, at the peak of the rally (retail). He will then sell short > > and take prices down. The turning points of a rally will be marked by heavly > > volume in the
Dow 30 (3Ney, 85-89). > > > > When he desires he can even make large block trades without entering > > them into his book. In this way the public is never made aware of those > > trades. Should the specialist want to supply a buy or sell order from his > > own accounts, rather than from public orders on book, he can and will do > > so (1Ney, 156). Ney cites specific examples when his customers orders were > > ignored while the specialist completed orders for his own accounts. > > > > When serving as the market maker, the broker's broker, the specialist > > trades from his Trading Account, which is to be used to service the needs > > of the market. However, he also has Investment Accounts (plural). His Segregated > > Investment Accounts put him directly into competition
with every other investor > > in his stock. The reason for he has segregated investment accounts is that > > they enable him to convert regular income into long-term capital gains (1Ney, > > 113). > > > > In addition, he also trades on Omnibus accounts, taking orders from > > a friendly bank on behalf of friends, family, and himself (1Ney, 58). Although > > he is not allowed to be both long and short in his Trading account, he can > > take the opposite stance in his Investment or Omnibus accounts (3Ney, 130). > > > > A Specialist will often not have any shares in his trading or omnibus > > accounts. If public demand for shares suddenly increases, the Specialist > > is more than happy to supply those shares to the public by short selling. > > This, of
course, forces the Specialist to take the price down soon thereafter, > > so that he may cover his short sales at the lower price. Or, the Specialist > > may sell from his Investment Accounts, establishing a middle or long term > > high (1Ney, 61), and then take the price down. Whichever strategy he employs, > > a large public demand for stock ultimately drives the price of that stock > > down, not up. > > > > Distribution of large amounts of stock can be done from the specialist's > > trading account, usually as short sales. The trading account can then be > > covered by transferring stock from the long-term investment accounts into > > the trading account (1Ney, 64). > > > > The existence of the specialist's Investment and Omnibus Accounts > > is
ultimately detrimental to the public. "In a stock with only a small > > capitalization or floating supply, the segregation of large blocks into > > long-term investment accounts for the specialist further decreases the supply > > of the stock available to the public" (1Ney, 61) > > > > The specialist has absolute control over price. He can match the buys > > with the sells in any way he sees fit. He can raise the price of the stock > > 3 points in three trades, and open the next day down 5. > > > > The seeming unpredictability of stock prices is due to the fact that > > prices exist at the whim of the specialist. A stock is only worth what the > > specialist is willing to pay for it at the moment. The fluctuations you > > see are, in fact, the evidence of how the
specialist is working out his > > inventory problems to meet his short-term, intermediate-term, and long-term > > goals (2Ney, 172). The specialist will sometimes 'leap frog' his prices > > up or down, creating a gap. This is done to keep a group of investors from > > buying or selling at a particular price. 'Leap Frogs' show specialist intent. > > Read the whole article here: > http://w3.tribcsp.com/~fredj/ney.html >
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