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I can best summarize my answer as rotting economic fundamentals in this country combined with progressively more egregious tweaking of government economic reports. That's a broad statement, however the litany is well known:
  • Consumer spending funded my the housing rather than strong personal income and job growth. Current signs suggest a slowing housing market.
  • Poor job growth, with the bulk of new jobs in lower wage sectors such as retail and health care
  • A budget deficit which continues to spiral out of control and that does not even include accruals for social security and other entitlement programs which run the true annual deficit into the trillions.
  • A trade deficit which continues to spiral out of control because we continue to consume so much more than we produce
  • A national savings rate which is too low to support the twin deficits putting us in the position where we must rely upon foreigners to finance both with huge sums of money
  • Hollowing out of our manufacturing employment and professional through the transfer of jobs to Asia coupled with hollowing out of our research capabilities through transfer of technology to Asia.
  • Reliance upon the dubious premise that the world's new manufacturing powers will always need Americans to do their research and marketing for them.
  • Tweaking of government economic reports including:
    • Understatement of unemployment by removing "discouraged" workers and others from the unemployed. True unemployment is currently estimated at 9-12%.
    • Understatement of inflation through hedonic adjustments and substitution adjustments. True inflation is currently estimated at 6-8%.
    • Overstatement of GDP by understating inflation.
    • Understatement of deficits by excluding future costs of entitlement programs such as Social Security, Medicare, etc.
Technically, my "mkt outlook" post of 2/28 pretty much says it all:
Because this market has been toping since August 2004 when a terminal rising wedge started on the weekly charts. Because there have been more terminal daily and hourly rising wedges than I can count and each one has broken south only to recover to the highs, then stagger back. This market has been topping for so long that the bears have given up. The bulls have been in control of price forever but the bears took control of time many months ago. It has required patience and a quick covering finger to be a bear in this market the handwriting is on the wall.
 
Maybe they can rally it again, maybe not but time says this turkey is ready for dinner. See attached monthly SPX ... the first warning was when price broke right from the right hand cyan line which is the complement to the one on the left.
 
Then recall the 3 day inside day pattern which broke to the upside, then collapsed today into what may turn into an outside weekly reversal ... depends upon the close.
 
See also attached breadth models showing clear divergences in issues and volume.
 
Earl
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: BobsKC
Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: [RT] mkt outlook

Why do so many people on RT think we are due for a long term down turn?  I
know it has to
be at least one technical reason but what fundamental reason is there to
believe that?  The
blue chips have an average PE of 15 .. earnings are still growing at a
healthy rate and we
have little inflation.  The country is fully employed and oil has at least
stabilized.  Do we put
our money on some chart marks or bollinger bands or elliot waves or on
facts?  My take on
the equity markets are that they will continue to climb hesitantly up the
"wall of worry" with
slips and stumbles along the way but belief in a long term down trend will
have to show up
on my "facts of the economy" list before I can join that camp.

Bob



At 08:22 AM 3/4/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>  You are correct.  Lets at least wait untill he is proven wrong or right,
>before we make comments on it.  If we don't make a new high over the next
>few weeks.  He is correct.   If we do make new highs.  He is wrong.
>My vote is for new highs after this probably very small correction.
>  I will say that he worded it a little supicous, but it may have need a
>mistake.
>  When someone says the top is in but gives no time frame it does make it
>seem like there is no way for them to be wrong.
>  Does he mean the top for this week?  The top for this month?
>  Or as it seems that he said.  The top is in.  Meaning the bull is over with
>a bear for years.
>   Hard to know and understand when someone makes quick statements with no
>explainations.
>  But overall Ben seems to be a good guy and helps a lot with his posts.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Dan Harels" <harelsdb@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 1:19 AM
>Subject: Re: [RT] mkt outlook
>
>
> > Bob,
> >
> > There are many bright people on this forum and ridicule, no matter how
> > subtle or "clever", does not encourage dialog.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >>From: "Bob" <BHEISLER@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>Reply-To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>To: <realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Subject: Re: [RT] mkt outlook
> >>Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2006 18:38:18 -0600
> >>
> >>How could it have been wrong?
> >>   ----- Original Message -----
> >>   From: Ron Cernokus
> >>   To: realtraders@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>   Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 4:53 PM
> >>   Subject: Re: [RT] mkt outlook
> >>
> >>
> >>   Here is Ben's call from last Tuesday.
> >>
> >>   S
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> >>
> >>     volume still points to 1300-1310 on sp500,
> >>     that should be accomplished in 2-4 days,
> >>     if not ,all bets are off ,and the top is in,
> >>     Ben
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